Another fast 997 turbo 0-357km/h
#31
09-12-2010 | 09:30 PM
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No disrespect taken. I did not check the dyno sheet, he wrote that the run was on 1 bar, but I do not see any reason why he would lie about it since it has the dyno sheet that we can easily disprove him 
But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.
For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.
I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring
If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
With all respect Salih..U need to double check his dyno sheet coz he ran over 1.0bar
If he can ran 2.0bar..why we didn't see the 2's from 100-200kmh since U.S tuners ALREADY ran 3's on stock engine on high boost
I just cant understand it
Euro tuners ran 5's on expensive build engine + aggressive cams on pumpgas
U.S tuners ran a RELIABLE/PROVEN 5's on bone stock engine on pumpgas
Both tuners ran +1.0bar
BTW...Proto recently dyno'ed a car w/Stock muffler, no cats, Proto
>5.0" i/c's, std style intake with airbox, NO MAF's and it made almost same power as Karol car...it made about at 667whp@1.2bar ( dyno room temp was about 41C/105F )
So what so special on Euro tuners
If he can ran 2.0bar..why we didn't see the 2's from 100-200kmh since U.S tuners ALREADY ran 3's on stock engine on high boost
I just cant understand it
Euro tuners ran 5's on expensive build engine + aggressive cams on pumpgas
U.S tuners ran a RELIABLE/PROVEN 5's on bone stock engine on pumpgas
Both tuners ran +1.0bar
BTW...Proto recently dyno'ed a car w/Stock muffler, no cats, Proto
>5.0" i/c's, std style intake with airbox, NO MAF's and it made almost same power as Karol car...it made about at 667whp@1.2bar ( dyno room temp was about 41C/105F )
So what so special on Euro tuners
Last edited by salihbjk; 09-13-2010 at 09:51 AM.
#33
09-13-2010 | 12:57 PM
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No disrespect taken. I did not check the dyno sheet, he wrote that the run was on 1 bar, but I do not see any reason why he would lie about it since it has the dyno sheet that we can easily disprove him But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.
For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.
I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring
If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
You r whitenight friend...Ur previous tune/mods was FVD ?
#36
09-15-2010 | 06:57 AM
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No disrespect taken. I did not check the dyno sheet, he wrote that the run was on 1 bar, but I do not see any reason why he would lie about it since it has the dyno sheet that we can easily disprove him But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.
For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.
I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
But I have the same turbos with him and go like 5.7 seconds on 95 octane pump gas on 1 bar, so I do not see why he wouldn't do 5 on the same boost, with head/cams setup and on 98 octane pump gas. Head/cams alone are around 100 more hp boost to boost, maybe more depending on his cam setup. It just fits.For 2's, I do not think 2 bar will be enough, I do not think it is that easy. I believe Karol's car (if that run was with 1 bar) is capable of doing mid to high 3's, and do that much more time than Sledgehammer can do. And with aggressive cams, it got the chance to do MUCH better 200-300 km/h, 100-200 is next to nothing to win a race.
I know the differences between US tuners vs Euro tuners very well, I got quite an experience with both sides. Now I am working with Todd K. I agree that Euro tuners are very expensive (not worth in most cases) compared to US tuners, but their philosophies are different. US tuners are more about being faster and Euro tuners are more about the reliability. The cars they do should be OK on the Nurburging when doing lap after lap with all the high temperatures of the car, even this car did travel with 250 km/h average on its way to the ring
If I do that on my own Proto tuned car, I definitely believe something will go wrong with the motor, no matter how good the tuning is. That's just the way it should be. That's why I say Euro tuners are more about reliability.I do not think that running 2 bar all the time with a US tuning package will last very long on a stock motor. Not even on a build motor. I know Switzer saw 3.7secs 100-200 but how many times did it run with that kind of boost on stock motor? How many more times can it run without bending a rod? if it did like 100 times, than OK, it's reliable as it should be and ignore my post. But I find it a little hard to believe, I'm sorry. And in my opinion, Euro tuners are more reliable and has much better quality parts (that I have experienced myself) than most tuners in US, that's why it is more expensive (besides the expensive TUV approval). But they are more on the safe side on tuning and that's not what I want. You can do very hard accelerations all the time and top speeds like 350 km/h for a dozen of times with Euro tuners with MORE reliability (I do not think US tuners are not reliable, just comparing), but I can do that with stock Porsche too, not 350 maybe 325 but I can. But I want to go faster not safer, so that's why I went with Protomotive. I am not picking sides, I just go with whatever makes me more happy. There is no need to be a fan of one side and be opposite to the other side, it just does not make sense. More choices are there for us. If you want to go very fast and ''more safer'' than go with Euro tuner, but if you want to win a race, go with a US tuner. That's what I learned with my experiences
One alteration, if you want to win a drag race go with US tuner, endurance race, Euro tuner
I suspect Freak is young and inexperienced and doesn't get to drive or use fast turbo Porsches (does he even own one ?) and lives by what people post on the forums without real life experience. Does he know that RS Tuning build in excess of 150 engines per annum including 4 X 6 litre 770PS Carerra GT engines last year - all these idiots paying their stupidly high prices, people who can afford these prices - all idiots, should be reading Freak's posts
#37
09-15-2010 | 07:40 AM
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This is an excellent summary - bravo
One alteration, if you want to win a drag race go with US tuner, endurance race, Euro tuner
I suspect Freak is young and inexperienced and doesn't get to drive or use fast turbo Porsches (does he even own one ?) and lives by what people post on the forums without real life experience. Does he know that RS Tuning build in excess of 150 engines per annum including 4 X 6 litre 770PS Carerra GT engines last year - all these idiots paying their stupidly high prices, people who can afford these prices - all idiots, should be reading Freak's posts
One alteration, if you want to win a drag race go with US tuner, endurance race, Euro tuner
I suspect Freak is young and inexperienced and doesn't get to drive or use fast turbo Porsches (does he even own one ?) and lives by what people post on the forums without real life experience. Does he know that RS Tuning build in excess of 150 engines per annum including 4 X 6 litre 770PS Carerra GT engines last year - all these idiots paying their stupidly high prices, people who can afford these prices - all idiots, should be reading Freak's posts
Last edited by salihbjk; 09-16-2010 at 08:12 PM.
#39
09-15-2010 | 05:18 PM
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This is an excellent summary - bravo
One alteration, if you want to win a drag race go with US tuner, endurance race, Euro tuner
I suspect Freak is young and inexperienced and doesn't get to drive or use fast turbo Porsches (does he even own one ?) and lives by what people post on the forums without real life experience. Does he know that RS Tuning build in excess of 150 engines per annum including 4 X 6 litre 770PS Carerra GT engines last year - all these idiots paying their stupidly high prices, people who can afford these prices - all idiots, should be reading Freak's posts
One alteration, if you want to win a drag race go with US tuner, endurance race, Euro tuner
I suspect Freak is young and inexperienced and doesn't get to drive or use fast turbo Porsches (does he even own one ?) and lives by what people post on the forums without real life experience. Does he know that RS Tuning build in excess of 150 engines per annum including 4 X 6 litre 770PS Carerra GT engines last year - all these idiots paying their stupidly high prices, people who can afford these prices - all idiots, should be reading Freak's posts
Salih went from FVD to Proto and Whitenight went FVD to Switzer.
Your fastest Euro tuner got yanked by SPI tippy which is made less 400hp than ur fastest Euro tuner lol...It is even got beat by modified Datsun so keep ur mouth shut
Why u dont tell us about that poor guy who got cheated by u
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#40
09-15-2010 | 05:22 PM
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Thank you. Euro tuners, FVD for example, do not want the reputation as "FVD did a car and now the motor is broken." So they act safe no matter how you want it on tuning. US Tuners does not care about this that much and I do not mean that in a bad way. That's what I went through on my FVD Stage 2 vs FVD Stage 3 packages. Even though my stage 2 kit was faster than most US kits if not all, I ran not very different 100 - 200 km/h times between those two stages, and stage 3 has modded VTG's. So I went with an aggressive Protomotive tune and the car was performing night and day difference vs the FVD stage 3 flash. Couldn't FVD do the car that way in the first place? Surely they could. But they wouldn't. It's the philosophy difference between those two and it's your choice whatever the route to go with. Can't go really wrong with either.