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Chris888 09-21-2009 04:05 PM

^lol good one.

I see that 9ff package is called GT-95 VTG

Are they getting that much power and still using variable turbine geometry turbos?
I thought one needed to swop to conventional turbos for that kind of power.

What does the Switzer kit use?

dk996tt 09-21-2009 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by mb19701964 (Post 404132)
Congrats on your car! But to me it is just a matter of time before you blow it up. I think you need internals done on anything greater than 600 hp.

But seems like it is working for you so far.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i have logged over 3500 miles on the GT2 since it had the P800 (pump gas 800 HP) package. i have given it to several professional drivers as well to push the car near its limits on a road course. i have pushed it on a road course on numerous occasion. it has undergone numerous dyno pulls and highway pulls. we will continue to test the durability of the motor at these power levels. eventually, the parts will wear down and fail, but such is the case at any power level.

bbywu 09-21-2009 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by mb19701964 (Post 404132)
Congrats on your car! But to me it is just a matter of time before you blow it up. I think you need internals done on anything greater than 600 hp.

But seems like it is working for you so far.

So we have Toby who states that the rods will bend at 612.09 lb ft.

And we have mb19701964 stating that internals need to be done at 600 hp.

A lot of rennteam and rennlister forum members state that there is no science or evidence on other boards. So lets turn it around. What evidence do you have that the internals need to be done at 600 hp? Or are you just your expert opinion?

There are hundreds of 996TT and 997TTs running well over 600 hp. And how many engines have "blown up." Your claim is statistically implausible.

US tuners and Euro tuners alike don't require engine builds for >600 hp. So lets see the data to backup your belief that you need a build for >600 hp.

Neil Switzer 09-21-2009 10:21 PM

Can't wait for some vids.. we need vids!

Ahh I thought 9ff only had the 850 gt2. Do they have any performance #'s on it?

JonA85 09-21-2009 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by Neil Switzer (Post 404456)
Can't wait for some vids.. we need vids!

Goodluck, I've been asking for videos for months.

Alex 09-22-2009 12:13 AM

In for vids. Congrats Switzer and DK! Those are awesome numbers.

Would Switzer do a fully built engine if so requested by a customer?

Freak997turbo 09-22-2009 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Neil Switzer (Post 404456)
Can't wait for some vids.. we need vids!

Ahh I thought 9ff only had the 850 gt2. Do they have any performance #'s on it?

Yes u an see performance #'s only on magazines and thier websites!!

9ff | DE | News | Aktuell

9ff BT-2, Bi-Turbo conversion – 850HP, 920Nm
0-100 in 3,0s
0-200 in 8,7s
0-300 in 18,9s
Höchstgeschwindigkeit 382 km/h

0-200 as quick as SPI TIP 997tt 740hp BOLT-ON KIT!!!

Who need 382km/h for top speed LOL!!!

I wonder how much the 9ff BT-2, Bi-Turbo conversion would cost? LOL

Freak997turbo 09-22-2009 06:43 AM

Built the fastest porsches in the world and they can't even beat a gixxer1000

YouTube - Porsche 9ff vs suzuki gsx-r1000

TB993tt 09-22-2009 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Neil Switzer (Post 404456)

Ahh I thought 9ff only had the 850 gt2. Do they have any performance #'s on it?

I was having a swipe at 9ff there actually :spar:

9ff have a habit of advertising details of "kits" before they have actually built them - I don't think this 950 VTG kit exists, RS Tuning had some extra big compressor VTGs made and they were problematic, 700PS seems about the current limit.

One has to respect 9ff for their enthusiastic approach and willingness to get involved in self promotion but they are quite unique in Europe in that they will sell these mega high hp engine packages as when they are properly used on the autobahn they inevitably wear out pretty quickly and however many times Jan (owner) tells a customer about 10K mile maintenance it is always a shock when very expensive items need to be replaced (like a set of heads)....9ff also have more than their fair share of horror stories of engines exported which don't live up to expectations......

TB993tt 09-22-2009 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by bbywu (Post 404371)
So we have Toby who states that the rods will bend at 612.09 lb ft.
.

Hey - I resemble that remark !

I actually conceded that even my new stock rod pusscat runs at 620.59 ft lbs:smilie:

DKs longitudinal G show a large amount of torque which would bend rods if it did that 100 mile autobahn stint I showed on the graph on the front page - His car will never do that and hopefully will be fine....

BTW - who on here has bent rods ?

I have, RS Tuning engine dyno 757NM (557ft lbs) on my 993tt, with a steep torque curve, ran fine for ~10K miles, when it was cracked open for some other work it was "bannana city" and Carrillo time :lol:


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