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Neil Switzer 09-23-2009 02:25 PM

Well Mike I guess you could say that the "proof is in the pudding" so to speak, and you definitely speak it! :thumbsup:

TB993TT, do you know of any differences in the rods between the 993 gt2 and the 997 gt2?

TB993tt 09-23-2009 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Neil Switzer (Post 405780)

TB993TT, do you know of any differences in the rods between the 993 gt2 and the 997 gt2?

No I don't.......I think they are essentially the same ?

I do know that the Cargraphic/RS Tuning 997tt which was the fastest Porsche in the latest Sport Auto 0-300kph shootout doing a pretty fast 23.8s used to have 624PS/826NM and was modified pre this test with new Carrillos and re-tuned on the engine dyno to 630PS/900NM - they don't do this for fun, they do it because when the cars are really loaded the rods fail and they don't like failures !

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...0-300again.jpg

dk996tt 09-23-2009 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by TB993tt (Post 405446)
I've already said a bit about 9ff, not sure who they are reputable with ? They don't build race engines just bling street cars with explodamotors...


I guess you don't know the history of "internals" AKA rods ? It was when the 993GT2 race cars started hitting 800NM that rod failures were becoming a problem, The GT2 had a "reinforced" version of the standard 993tt rod (see below) but that still bent (my early model '96 993tt had the GT2 rods and bent them !)
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...93tt/rods1.jpg


The solution came from Carrillo whose fantastic product completely cured this problem and has been used successfully ever since by racers.



The problem with vendors on forums is that punters never get to hear of problems like (poor running on normal fuel - I know in one UK mag a guy rode shotgun in a 800hpGTR and said it felt the same as his stock one - fuel was blamed....!!), only competitors failures (like the 9ff breakdowns - and why is the guy going back to them for 1000hp when his existing one broke ?). Having said that if the above is true and everything is running sweetly for sure credit where credit is due....

i understand from an engineering standpoint that all rods have specific properties and have their limits based up what materials they are made of. i am also aware that when rods failure occurs, it is not always due to exceeding the physical limits of the material properties of the rods. many times rods fail due to improper tuning which causes detonation. SPI has many cars on the street already exceeding the power levels that people are claiming are impossible due to the limits of the rods. obviously this is not true, otherwise SPI would have customers with rod failure all over the world. To date, SPI has not had one customer with rod failure or blown motor. this is not to say that it will never happen. all motors eventually wear and eventually something will fail (maybe not ncessarily a rod). but i simply disagree with people saying that we SPI has exceeded the limits of the stock rods and it is a ticking time bomb.

TB993tt 09-23-2009 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by dk996tt (Post 405961)
i understand from an engineering standpoint that all rods have specific properties and have their limits based up what materials they are made of. i am also aware that when rods failure occurs, it is not always due to exceeding the physical limits of the material properties of the rods. many times rods fail due to improper tuning which causes detonation. SPI has many cars on the street already exceeding the power levels that people are claiming are impossible due to the limits of the rods. obviously this is not true, otherwise SPI would have customers with rod failure all over the world. To date, SPI has not had one customer with rod failure or blown motor. this is not to say that it will never happen. all motors eventually wear and eventually something will fail (maybe not ncessarily a rod). but i simply disagree with people saying that we SPI has exceeded the limits of the stock rods and it is a ticking time bomb.

Hence why I am very interested and glad you guys post here - I really hope you don't have problems and that the way the boost is tuned to deliver (like we discussed on the other thread) is a clever innovative way of giving this performance....... :friends:

GT RUS 09-29-2009 05:26 AM

There is limit to everything at certain stage but there are many 996/997 TT in US runing at over 700WHP on stock components... build motors also faiil )))

TB993tt 09-29-2009 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by GT RUS (Post 410138)
There is limit to everything at certain stage but there are many 996/997 TT in US runing at over 700WHP on stock components... build motors also faiil )))

We don't have any in the UK, just the one car from EVOMS, the one with the Martini stripes EVO700 with 730hp/750ftlbs on the Mustang and performs like a 550PS car....
Are there any of these kits in Germany ? Never heard of any ?

Jo_Switzer 09-29-2009 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by TB993tt (Post 410489)
We don't have any in the UK, just the one car from EVOMS, the one with the Martini stripes EVO700 with 730hp/750ftlbs on the Mustang and performs like a 550PS car....
Are there any of these kits in Germany ? Never heard of any ?

I've run across lots of "700 hp" cars here in the states that run like 550's, as well. :lol:

GT RUS 09-30-2009 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by TB993tt (Post 410489)
We don't have any in the UK, just the one car from EVOMS, the one with the Martini stripes EVO700 with 730hp/750ftlbs on the Mustang and performs like a 550PS car....
Are there any of these kits in Germany ? Never heard of any ?

We have all the German tuners cars here, you name it we raced all of them....Teachart, Evotech, 9FF, Edo Competition, Cargraphic and even Rinspeed and we beat all of them and there are proofs with videos !!!

I sent you like fo our video channel and race with 997 GT2 705 and 925NM by 9FF..build in Germany...some internal done as well...

Here is the link again:

YouTube - TTRproduction's Channel

TB993tt 09-30-2009 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by GT RUS (Post 411136)
We have all the German tuners cars here, you name it we raced all of them....Teachart, Evotech, 9FF, Edo Competition, Cargraphic and even Rinspeed and we beat all of them and there are proofs with videos !!!

I sent you like fo our video channel and race with 997 GT2 705 and 925NM by 9FF..build in Germany...some internal done as well...

Here is the link again:

YouTube - TTRproduction's Channel

This is the "race" in the link below right ?
YouTube - TTRproduction's Channel

I remember you linked this before..... this doesn't really show a lot, the GT2 pulls away at ~9s then he has to go right onto the other lane/hard shoulder to avoid other traffic at ~14s then he rejoins next to the tt, having to change lanes makes a massive difference to a "race" like this (I know you must know this since you are obviously quite adept at these "races" ;)

Are there any others with this 9ff GT2 in them, it looks pretty fast ?

GT RUS 09-30-2009 02:44 PM

Dont forget that GT2 is 150kg ligher, manual and 2wd...over 50k in engine mods...

If look furher you will find other vids with Evotech 680 HP 997 TT, Enzo, Ford GT1000 and so on, CCX 850 HP... 9FF from a dig (with brake start) and so on...also there is video vs EDO competiton 650 HP 997 TT in 1 mile...and many more...


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