Fabspeed 458 Performance Package
Jan 30, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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Jan 31, 2012 | 12:49 AM
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Chassis dyno's are NOT unreliable as a matter of fact. of course nothing will compare to an engine dyno but pulling engines out of these cars is completely unrealistic. Depending on the type of chassis dyno you can accurately determine CHP and WHP. that has been proven. Are you aware of ANY parts manufacturers that are using engine dynos? I'm not. And what does 20k chassis dyno mean? Are you referring to the cost of the dyno itself? if so you are WAY off my friend!
I hope this doesnt sound like an attack on you but the claims you made in your post are completely unsubstantiated.
I hope this doesnt sound like an attack on you but the claims you made in your post are completely unsubstantiated.
You are suggesting a basic tune + exhaust on an high strung NA motor that is already operating at near maximum efficiency is able to add 80 crank hp? So why aren't you on the phone with Ferrari engineers telling them what they did wrong, as you are able to increase power by 15% without raising revs past 10k on this engine. On your base runs you are suggesting this car is making 450whp, implying 25% power losses on an extremely efficient drivetrain? 450whp in the italia which is quite a heavy car would not be trapping 130mph+ as many users have done(not just magazines).
It's almost as if your base run is completely underrating the HP of this car(or something is wrong with the vehicle itself). Scuderia's are laying down 450-460whp on these 20second dyno runs. That or you really are the best tuners in the world and should be saluted, managing 15-20% hp gains out of the best engines in the world without any forced induction I may add??
Jan 31, 2012 | 03:21 PM
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Hi David, I beg to differ. Chassis Dyno are very unreliable, there are dozens of factors that can affect the results. The other problem with them is they never accurately replicate actual loads from driving on real roads.
You are suggesting a basic tune + exhaust on an high strung NA motor that is already operating at near maximum efficiency is able to add 80 crank hp? So why aren't you on the phone with Ferrari engineers telling them what they did wrong, as you are able to increase power by 15% without raising revs past 10k on this engine. On your base runs you are suggesting this car is making 450whp, implying 25% power losses on an extremely efficient drivetrain? 450whp in the italia which is quite a heavy car would not be trapping 130mph+ as many users have done(not just magazines).
It's almost as if your base run is completely underrating the HP of this car(or something is wrong with the vehicle itself). Scuderia's are laying down 450-460whp on these 20second dyno runs. That or you really are the best tuners in the world and should be saluted, managing 15-20% hp gains out of the best engines in the world without any forced induction I may add??
You are suggesting a basic tune + exhaust on an high strung NA motor that is already operating at near maximum efficiency is able to add 80 crank hp? So why aren't you on the phone with Ferrari engineers telling them what they did wrong, as you are able to increase power by 15% without raising revs past 10k on this engine. On your base runs you are suggesting this car is making 450whp, implying 25% power losses on an extremely efficient drivetrain? 450whp in the italia which is quite a heavy car would not be trapping 130mph+ as many users have done(not just magazines).
It's almost as if your base run is completely underrating the HP of this car(or something is wrong with the vehicle itself). Scuderia's are laying down 450-460whp on these 20second dyno runs. That or you really are the best tuners in the world and should be saluted, managing 15-20% hp gains out of the best engines in the world without any forced induction I may add??
Feb 1, 2012 | 09:14 AM
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But i say it again. 80-90crank hp is very good for tune and exhaust on NA car. almost too good.
Feb 13, 2012 | 12:09 AM
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From: Miami FL
Chassis dyno are extremely unreliable. Only real way to tell what this motor is doing is on an engine dyno. Are you suggesting you are gaining around 100 crank HP on a NA engine from an exhaust bolt up? I understand Ferrari isn't using the best exhausts due to the emission + noise regulations, but 100hp gain on none boosted motor? Yea right. Not believing that unless you got engine dyno sheet(20k chassis dyno is SUSPECT).
Hello Ramius,
No offense, but the info is clearly written in the post. We saw a gain of 67 whp with Fabspeed headers, catalytic converters (200 cell by HJS), sport mufflers, and ECU tune by Evolution Motorsports. It is a big gain... even bigger than expected, but certainly within the realm of possibility. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks.
Jeff
No offense, but the info is clearly written in the post. We saw a gain of 67 whp with Fabspeed headers, catalytic converters (200 cell by HJS), sport mufflers, and ECU tune by Evolution Motorsports. It is a big gain... even bigger than expected, but certainly within the realm of possibility. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks.
Jeff
Chassis dyno's are NOT unreliable as a matter of fact. of course nothing will compare to an engine dyno but pulling engines out of these cars is completely unrealistic. Depending on the type of chassis dyno you can accurately determine CHP and WHP. that has been proven. Are you aware of ANY parts manufacturers that are using engine dynos? I'm not. And what does 20k chassis dyno mean? Are you referring to the cost of the dyno itself? if so you are WAY off my friend!
I hope this doesnt sound like an attack on you but the claims you made in your post are completely unsubstantiated.
I hope this doesnt sound like an attack on you but the claims you made in your post are completely unsubstantiated.
Hi David, I beg to differ. Chassis Dyno are very unreliable, there are dozens of factors that can affect the results. The other problem with them is they never accurately replicate actual loads from driving on real roads.
You are suggesting a basic tune + exhaust on an high strung NA motor that is already operating at near maximum efficiency is able to add 80 crank hp? So why aren't you on the phone with Ferrari engineers telling them what they did wrong, as you are able to increase power by 15% without raising revs past 10k on this engine. On your base runs you are suggesting this car is making 450whp, implying 25% power losses on an extremely efficient drivetrain? 450whp in the italia which is quite a heavy car would not be trapping 130mph+ as many users have done(not just magazines).
It's almost as if your base run is completely underrating the HP of this car(or something is wrong with the vehicle itself). Scuderia's are laying down 450-460whp on these 20second dyno runs. That or you really are the best tuners in the world and should be saluted, managing 15-20% hp gains out of the best engines in the world without any forced induction I may add??
You are suggesting a basic tune + exhaust on an high strung NA motor that is already operating at near maximum efficiency is able to add 80 crank hp? So why aren't you on the phone with Ferrari engineers telling them what they did wrong, as you are able to increase power by 15% without raising revs past 10k on this engine. On your base runs you are suggesting this car is making 450whp, implying 25% power losses on an extremely efficient drivetrain? 450whp in the italia which is quite a heavy car would not be trapping 130mph+ as many users have done(not just magazines).
It's almost as if your base run is completely underrating the HP of this car(or something is wrong with the vehicle itself). Scuderia's are laying down 450-460whp on these 20second dyno runs. That or you really are the best tuners in the world and should be saluted, managing 15-20% hp gains out of the best engines in the world without any forced induction I may add??
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