I had to re-read this several times, but it's on their corporate website. Sounds like a hell of a deal for $1199.

Cliff Notes:

Four Day Defensive Handgun Course ($2,000 Value), the 30 State CCW course ($500 Value), All 7 Dry Practice Manuals ($280 Value), Limited Edition Stainless Steel Folding Knife with Front Sight Logo Etched in it ($300 Value), Front Sight Armorer's Bench Mat ($40 Value), Front Sight "Any Gun Will Do-- If You Will Do!" Shirt ($30 Value), Front Sight logo hat ($20 Value), Front Sight Instructor Belt, Holster, Mag Pouch, Flashlight Pouch and Flashlight ($230 Value) Plus your choice of brand new in-the-box, Springfield XD Handgun in 9mm, .40SW or .45ACP ($600 Value)

Full details here: https://www.frontsight.com/free-gun.asp?s=e1

 

That's an awesome deal! I was considering doing a U.S. Training Center course, but this looks like a great alternative.

 

G,
Have they cleaned up their business practices?

Their instructors rock, but I got turned off a couple years back by their business practices.

This looks like a screaming deal potentially.

 

My momma told me to be wary of anyone named "Ignatius".

 

Zero clue B. I ran across this looking up some other stuff yesterday. Figured I would post it as an FYI. I've never taken any of their courses.

 

"800 rounds of ammunition required."


800 rounds in over 4 days is totally crap IMO. 200 rounds per day is like an hour shooting at a leisurely pace. What are you supposed to do with the other 7 hours in the day...watch power point slides and pretend to be shooting?

 

The class I took had a lot of lecture. Most were very useful.

Stuff like liability, when to draw, etc taught by ex-cops. AFAIK, you also do dry fire some of the time to make sure you don't do the jerk in anticipation of the recoil.

 

Lecture is fine, but if you can't effectively handle your firearm and seriously get a good intimate feel for it while under different conditions (e.g., night shooting drills, transition drills, moving, etc.) then IMO you've wasted your money.

Again, IMO if you don't fire over 500 rounds a day then the class probably isn't giving you the best bang for the buck. Rather, an NRA class might be better suited.

 

I would say it depends.

It's like seat time at the track.

Seat time only matters if you have the basic down.

If you don't, you can log 100 days of track time and still pinch the exit, horribly early your apexes, or be completely rough on throttle/brake transition.

Track time in this case will just reinforce bad habits.

Much like I go with my friends who have not had the basic down who have fired way more rounds than I but still can't shoot worth anything.

To me it's like the difference between class time and range time. I want to make sure that I have the basic down 100%. And at least with my class, they drilled that into me.

IMHO, yo uare paying for insturctions first, and range time second. And you do do the night shooting, and all the other stuff mentioned.

 

I like your analogy with track time, and sometimes it is good to sit in with a good driver to learn the basics.

I should have been clearer in that a good class should have a very good balance of driver and passenger seat time. It seems that the Front sight training (and many others) are way too heavy on the "sit your ass in the chair and watch these slides" mentality. Good instructors mix the teaching with the execution, and this is what I'm being critical on regarding Front sight.