If the SSC record was discounted because of the production numbers, wouldn't that put the '05 standard Veyron back at the top? IIRC they made 300 normal veyrons (i.e non special edition).

Unless I'm missing something?

 

No, you would be right. Somehow I forgot about that one.

So Guinness strips Bugatti of the record, and gives it back to... Bugatti.

Besides that one article, I haven't seen anything on the 50-car rule. Surely Guinness would have known their own criteria when they awarded the record to SSC in 2007? It would seem to me that vehicles playing in this rarefied air would tend to be produced in very small batches.

 

SSC Aero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Aero

The SSC Ultimate Aero is an American-built mid-engine sports car by SSC North America (formerly known as Shelby SuperCars). The higher-performance limited production version currently holds the Guinness Book of World Records record for being the fastest production car in the world. The record was held by Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, since 2010 when it reached the speed of 431.072 km/h. The record has reverted back to the SSC Ultimate Aero in 2013 after Guiness World Records and Hennessy discovered that Bugatti had disabled the speed limiter.


Speed attempt

SSC announced they had broken the speed record for the world's fastest production car with 256.18 mph (412.28 km/h) in West Richland, WA on September 13 2007. The reported record speed came from an average of two runs in opposite directions, in accordance with FIA Speed Records rules. The first run clocked 257.44 mph (414.31 km/h) and the return trip 254.91 mph (410.24 km/h). The results of this test, verified by Guinness World Records on October 9 2007, gave the SSC Ultimate Aero the title of world's fastest production car, with a top speed of 256.18 mph (412.28 km/h). This beat the previous record holder, the Bugatti Veyron, that had a top speed of 253.81 mph (408.47 km/h).

 

SSC also claim they and Carbon Revolution have created the one and only fully carbon fiber wheel. Clearly they have never heard of Koenigsegg. And not to mention their "fully carbon fiber wheel" has metal lugs.

And if the "50 mechanically identical" cars rule is to exist, the original Veyron will have the record. SSC has only made 10 or 15 ultimate aeros, it seems.

 

The Veyron SS was stripped of the title to disable the speed limiter, which "supposedly" was not contemplated by WRG.
John, took care to explain very well Guinness regulations and the theme of the production units. Clearly WRG contemplates exceptions.

When the car's record was broken on July 4 2010 by the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, Bugatti had intentions of producing 30 units, not 50u.
I've only official information dump, without involving personal feelings.

 

I question the 50 car rule only because it seems completely arbitrary. Why not 40? Or 25? As I said before it should be taken into consideration by Guinness that these types of cars would have very low production totals.

I can't specifically remember, but I believe that back in 2007 when SSC set the new record, they were planning many more Ultimate Aeros than what they ended up building (it's said to be 15 but I can think of only 10 unique examples that have ever been spotted). If there was a specific total car number rule in effect at that time, then Guinness awarded the record on the promise of there being more than just 15. Which could be possible: John Hennessey told us a day or two ago that for the purpose of the acceleration record, Guinness asked him how many Venom GTs were to be built, to which he replied 29. Guinness awarded the record on that basis, even though only a half dozen or so exist as of yet.

The way I see it, either Guinness has different requirements for total cars producted for acceleration records vs. top speed records (which I find unlikely), or the required number of cars for a top speed record is not in fact 50.

Here's a hypothetical scenario: Suppose the Super Sport never existed, and SSC still held the record awarded by Guinness on the promise that whatever qualifying number of Ultimate Aeros would be built. If Guinness discovered at a later date that only 15 Ultimate Aeros were built, would they have taken the record away from SSC on the basis that the car should never had qualified?

Or did Guinness simply disregard car count back in 2007? It sure would be nice to hear another statement from them at this point.

 

i have to call bullshit on this whole mather, SSC never made more then 10 cars. Hennessey venom gt is in most eyes not a production car. Speedlimiter does not make the record invalid since the car can make those numbers 268mph with it switched of....
And we still have not seen any atempts from Koenigsegg so far...
I mean that car reached 402kmh on a 1,5km upphill straight with a customer (not a testdriver) driving for fun.

 

I was long before the Koenigsegg and it is just old news, which wasn't updated in years.

 

All this talk about speed records is getting funny. I'm not sure it's that important. What does it matter to Bug whether they are in the Book or not? If the car did the speed, what relevance is the book and their silly rules? They seem to be selling quite a few cars at a fairly big price. While Hennessey claims 2 days ago they are "just getting going on the Venom GT program" 3-4 years or whatever from when the car was discussed or announced. We better get comfy on that "due time" comment. The Venom is damn fast. So are the other cars. So what is the importance of being in a book with someone who's jumped the most times on a pogo stick or eaten the most marshmallows? Just seems like a silly argument.

 

GWR added a guy who claimed he had the worlds largest natural arms. They're so stupid that they don't know the idiot is on synthol (basically injectable oil that he has put into his arms). I've completely discredited GWR since then and don't care about them.