Pagani Huayra Top Gear (Spoiler Alert)
#251
03-17-2013, 02:27 PM
Matt,
I have just spent a very enjoyable hour reading the whole thread. As others have stated before, you have done a superb job in stating your case in an informed and balanced manner.
I believe the kind of investigative journalism that you have put on display here will ultimately provide all of us enthusiasts with more of a level playing field than we otherwise would have.
My hope is that leading car magazines (such as Evo in the U.K.) will subject any car that is sourced directly from a manufacturer to stringent checks for compliance with its (published) standard spec. It is interesting to note that Sport Auto, the German car magazine, has been gradually expanding the scope of its checks of cars included in its well-known Supertest, including a rolling road test and suspension settings (e.g., camber, castor).
Once again, thanks for a fantastic effort!
I have just spent a very enjoyable hour reading the whole thread. As others have stated before, you have done a superb job in stating your case in an informed and balanced manner.
I believe the kind of investigative journalism that you have put on display here will ultimately provide all of us enthusiasts with more of a level playing field than we otherwise would have.
My hope is that leading car magazines (such as Evo in the U.K.) will subject any car that is sourced directly from a manufacturer to stringent checks for compliance with its (published) standard spec. It is interesting to note that Sport Auto, the German car magazine, has been gradually expanding the scope of its checks of cars included in its well-known Supertest, including a rolling road test and suspension settings (e.g., camber, castor).
Once again, thanks for a fantastic effort!
#253
03-19-2013, 04:09 PM
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Koenigsegg believe that the Agera R has more than the measure of the new toys at Geneva
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
The 2013 Geneva Motor Show has been a Hypercar Fest, with the stars of the show being the McLaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari and, perhaps, the Lamborghini Veneno.
But a car that was also at Geneva was the Koenigsegg Hundra, Koenigsegg’s one-off special to celebrate 100 Koenigseggs built since Christian von Koenigsegg started bolted his immense supercars together in a shed in Sweden a decade ago.
So we thought it would be interesting to chat to Koenigsegg people – including Koenigsegg’s UK dealer Supervettura – and get their thoughts on the new batch of supercars that could perhaps take some gloss off the offerings from Koenigsegg. But there’s no doubt in the minds of Koenigsegg that the Agera R (and Agera S) have more to offer than any of the new supercars at Geneva.
The McLaren P1 was by far the favourite car of the Koenigsegg team at Geneva; the P1 appealed to their own thorough engineering solutions where integrity plays a superior role to ‘flash’, and it found more favour than LaFerrari.
That was also down to the daft name; Koenigsegg found the same as we did – every Ferrari favourite we spoke to, who we knew would be on the list for the new Enzo, referred to it as either the F70 or F150 (or new Enzo). Not a single one referred to it as ‘LaFerrari’. Perhaps that, more than anything, shows it was a silly name choice.
But when it comes to the things that matter, Koenigsegg are quick to point out that both the P1 and LaFerrari have less power than the Agera R, weigh more and have a far lower top speed. Koenigsegg are in no doubt that the Agera R is the better car, especially with its new carbon wheels, gearbox and software on the 2013 model.
Interestingly – especially after Ron Dennis said he put the P1 round Dunsfold 10 seconds quicker than any other road car – Koenigsegg find it highly amusing that the Pagani Huayra had to resort to hand-cut slicks to set its Top Gear lap time.
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
And that will be just part of what Koenigsegg will do in 2013 to show that the Agera R is the superior car, although we’re sworn to secrecy – for now.
Source: carsuk.net
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
The 2013 Geneva Motor Show has been a Hypercar Fest, with the stars of the show being the McLaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari and, perhaps, the Lamborghini Veneno.
But a car that was also at Geneva was the Koenigsegg Hundra, Koenigsegg’s one-off special to celebrate 100 Koenigseggs built since Christian von Koenigsegg started bolted his immense supercars together in a shed in Sweden a decade ago.
So we thought it would be interesting to chat to Koenigsegg people – including Koenigsegg’s UK dealer Supervettura – and get their thoughts on the new batch of supercars that could perhaps take some gloss off the offerings from Koenigsegg. But there’s no doubt in the minds of Koenigsegg that the Agera R (and Agera S) have more to offer than any of the new supercars at Geneva.
The McLaren P1 was by far the favourite car of the Koenigsegg team at Geneva; the P1 appealed to their own thorough engineering solutions where integrity plays a superior role to ‘flash’, and it found more favour than LaFerrari.
That was also down to the daft name; Koenigsegg found the same as we did – every Ferrari favourite we spoke to, who we knew would be on the list for the new Enzo, referred to it as either the F70 or F150 (or new Enzo). Not a single one referred to it as ‘LaFerrari’. Perhaps that, more than anything, shows it was a silly name choice.
But when it comes to the things that matter, Koenigsegg are quick to point out that both the P1 and LaFerrari have less power than the Agera R, weigh more and have a far lower top speed. Koenigsegg are in no doubt that the Agera R is the better car, especially with its new carbon wheels, gearbox and software on the 2013 model.
Interestingly – especially after Ron Dennis said he put the P1 round Dunsfold 10 seconds quicker than any other road car – Koenigsegg find it highly amusing that the Pagani Huayra had to resort to hand-cut slicks to set its Top Gear lap time.
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
And that will be just part of what Koenigsegg will do in 2013 to show that the Agera R is the superior car, although we’re sworn to secrecy – for now.
Source: carsuk.net
#255
03-20-2013, 02:49 PM
Koenigsegg believe that the Agera R has more than the measure of the new toys at Geneva
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
Source: carsuk.net
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
Source: carsuk.net
I suspect it’s going to be a lot closer than they think
#256
03-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Yeah i mean they boast about it being lighter and more powerful than even the Lafer and P1..so they better show some performance to eclipse those 2 as well.. otherwise those extra pony's are of no use.
#257
03-20-2013, 10:36 PM
Well what would have the Huayra run without slicks? I think about 1:15.5 1:17.5 right? Being that the CCX ran 1:17.6 on crappy Michelin PS2s I definitely think the Agera R will be marginally faster.
#258
03-22-2013, 06:19 AM
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Koenigsegg believe that the Agera R has more than the measure of the new toys at Geneva
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
The 2013 Geneva Motor Show has been a Hypercar Fest, with the stars of the show being the McLaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari and, perhaps, the Lamborghini Veneno.
But a car that was also at Geneva was the Koenigsegg Hundra, Koenigsegg’s one-off special to celebrate 100 Koenigseggs built since Christian von Koenigsegg started bolted his immense supercars together in a shed in Sweden a decade ago.
So we thought it would be interesting to chat to Koenigsegg people – including Koenigsegg’s UK dealer Supervettura – and get their thoughts on the new batch of supercars that could perhaps take some gloss off the offerings from Koenigsegg. But there’s no doubt in the minds of Koenigsegg that the Agera R (and Agera S) have more to offer than any of the new supercars at Geneva.
The McLaren P1 was by far the favourite car of the Koenigsegg team at Geneva; the P1 appealed to their own thorough engineering solutions where integrity plays a superior role to ‘flash’, and it found more favour than LaFerrari.
That was also down to the daft name; Koenigsegg found the same as we did – every Ferrari favourite we spoke to, who we knew would be on the list for the new Enzo, referred to it as either the F70 or F150 (or new Enzo). Not a single one referred to it as ‘LaFerrari’. Perhaps that, more than anything, shows it was a silly name choice.
But when it comes to the things that matter, Koenigsegg are quick to point out that both the P1 and LaFerrari have less power than the Agera R, weigh more and have a far lower top speed. Koenigsegg are in no doubt that the Agera R is the better car, especially with its new carbon wheels, gearbox and software on the 2013 model.
Interestingly – especially after Ron Dennis said he put the P1 round Dunsfold 10 seconds quicker than any other road car – Koenigsegg find it highly amusing that the Pagani Huayra had to resort to hand-cut slicks to set its Top Gear lap time.
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
And that will be just part of what Koenigsegg will do in 2013 to show that the Agera R is the superior car, although we’re sworn to secrecy – for now.
Source: carsuk.net
– LaFerrari and McLaren P1 and that Pagani’s Huayra lap record at Top Gear was a farce
The 2013 Geneva Motor Show has been a Hypercar Fest, with the stars of the show being the McLaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari and, perhaps, the Lamborghini Veneno.
But a car that was also at Geneva was the Koenigsegg Hundra, Koenigsegg’s one-off special to celebrate 100 Koenigseggs built since Christian von Koenigsegg started bolted his immense supercars together in a shed in Sweden a decade ago.
So we thought it would be interesting to chat to Koenigsegg people – including Koenigsegg’s UK dealer Supervettura – and get their thoughts on the new batch of supercars that could perhaps take some gloss off the offerings from Koenigsegg. But there’s no doubt in the minds of Koenigsegg that the Agera R (and Agera S) have more to offer than any of the new supercars at Geneva.
The McLaren P1 was by far the favourite car of the Koenigsegg team at Geneva; the P1 appealed to their own thorough engineering solutions where integrity plays a superior role to ‘flash’, and it found more favour than LaFerrari.
That was also down to the daft name; Koenigsegg found the same as we did – every Ferrari favourite we spoke to, who we knew would be on the list for the new Enzo, referred to it as either the F70 or F150 (or new Enzo). Not a single one referred to it as ‘LaFerrari’. Perhaps that, more than anything, shows it was a silly name choice.
But when it comes to the things that matter, Koenigsegg are quick to point out that both the P1 and LaFerrari have less power than the Agera R, weigh more and have a far lower top speed. Koenigsegg are in no doubt that the Agera R is the better car, especially with its new carbon wheels, gearbox and software on the 2013 model.
Interestingly – especially after Ron Dennis said he put the P1 round Dunsfold 10 seconds quicker than any other road car – Koenigsegg find it highly amusing that the Pagani Huayra had to resort to hand-cut slicks to set its Top Gear lap time.
They have no doubt the Agera R will go round Dunsfold quicker than the Huayra – and on standard road tyres (we’ll get the chance to find out very soon as the Agera R is due to go to Dunsfold soon to take on the Top Gear track). Not only that, but they reckon that even the CCX would also beat the Huayra round Dunsfold on the same hand-cut slicks .
And that will be just part of what Koenigsegg will do in 2013 to show that the Agera R is the superior car, although we’re sworn to secrecy – for now.
Source: carsuk.net
#260
03-22-2013, 02:29 PM
Thanks for coming on here and correcting that statement. I too was a little surprised when I read the above comments as it seemed out of character.
So will you be putting the car up for a TG test this year?
So will you be putting the car up for a TG test this year?