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Old May 29, 2013 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
If the paint on the side of your brand new Agera R looked like this when it arrived, tell me, would you be pleased??
What do you mean "his brand new Agera"? He never took delivery of the car and it wasn't finished. You have no idea what the final product looks like and more importantly neither did he when he cancelled delivery.

Originally Posted by exRockstar
The paint is not what why everybody on that and other forums called the person a spoiled baby with money. The paint was solved by koenigsegg with no extra charge. Its not a big issue. Shit happens during transport.... I can point you out a handfull of cases were they did alot more then just put words in the buyer hands and tried to silence him. And from what i know it was exacly the oposite. And even the fact the the person in cause is a moderator in the forum was not enought to him get away from changing posts later. He was disaproved by everybody on the forum for pushing his position. You should set your facts straight. I just brought mclaren to the discussion because what they are doing in the middle east is far more worse than what happened between this costumer and koenigsegg and also to give you an exemple of what happens some times. Shit happens you know..... But sometimes neither the brand or the costumer can control unespected situations.
Koenigsegg let him off the hook but this guy got HAMMERED by people in the industry. It was not pretty.

They gave him a proper beating over at PH also, Peloton makes a guest appearance.

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Originally Posted by quickZohsix
On another note, why does the black paint in that picture look like painters tape was used to mask it. On the far right side of the picture, the black has a straight line where it should be curving. And how does the paint bubble like that within days?
The image has been filtered so much to enhance the blemishes you can't even see the carbon strands in the carbon fiber or the details on the tyre. This is what it should look like.



Good luck in spotting any blemishes in this video or any other of the hundreds photos and videos of this car.


Originally Posted by La Artist
Um is that really transport damage on that picture, looks like a bad paint job to me.
Surprise, surprise. La Artist have found something suspicious.

You are always on stand by to write negative things about Koenigsegg, if there is a Koenigsegg story you are there to write something stupid every time. So shut up already, we get it: you love Pagani and any other brands should swiftly be removed from the face of the earth.

Originally Posted by Peloton25
That was Koenigsegg's claim - I struggle to see how that condition happens in transport, but I am sure exRockstar will explain it for us.
Paint occasionally blisters, duh. Could be from transporting it with fresh paint from cold to hot climate or it could be moisture that got trapped from wet sanding or improper curing. Could even be from someone who got his dirty finger prints all over it during transport and decided to fix the problem with a rag and a solvent. If it was that guys own paint it could have been too old. Why are you even speculating when you have no way of knowing???
 
Old May 29, 2013 | 06:01 AM
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I don't really care what anyone's personal feelings are about the owner. It's mostly irrelevant in my opinion, but easy to focus on by people who can only speculate on who the characters are and what really happened here. I've never even met BC so I have no particular bias one way or another. Plenty of people sure seem to think they know him based on some things he has written on the internet though.

The car was delivered - it came to the USA in an unfinished state so that it could be displayed at the The Quail. Are you suggesting that it was supposed to go back to Sweden for some final work before coming back to the USA to live with its owner? That doesn't seem to be how the story was told by the owner or by Koenigsegg in their rebuttal.

The paint damage photo is a closeup taken with one of Canon's highest quality professional cameras - it is bound to show every little detail without any enhancement as you claim. With the photo and videos of the full car you have posted are you suggesting that 'Good from 10 feet' is acceptable quality? Maybe for your girlfriend, but on on a million dollar supercar, I think not.

Keep in mind that I am not some Koenigsegg hater. I actually like their products and had a lot of respect for the company but I can still see how poorly they have handled this situation and am not afraid to say it.

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Old May 29, 2013 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
I wasn't talking about the scratches in the carbon fiber in a separate area of the car. I was talking about the damage to the paint on the side of the front clamshell shown in that photo.

Let's review...

LA Artist writes: "Um is that really transport damage on that picture, looks like a bad paint job to me."

You reply with: "Yep, but the car had scratches aswell on the roof."

Now - what else could "Yep" be referring to than a confirmation to LA Artist that the paint damage shown in that photo happened in transport? I'm just hoping you can provide an explanation as to how that occurred since you are so sure that is what happened. If you need to draw pictures in order to explain yourself, then be my guest.

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Well my "yep" was refering to the "looks like a bad paintjob to me". Since you only posted a picture with the bad painting. You should post the whole thing, just not to get people in mistake. The car was full of scratches made during the transport. That is what you did not told or showed throught pictures. You should tell the whole story, not just the bits you want to.

I think that you have a minimum of intelligence in that brain of yours, surelly there's no need to doing you a drawing right?
 
Old May 29, 2013 | 06:20 AM
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I don't have any pictures of the scratches but I do know they were nowhere near this paint damage.

I still struggle to understand how that paint damage could have occurred "in transport" but lets just pretend that it did so you don't have to get your crayons out. Surely Koenigsegg have shipped cars all around the world before - do they make any preventative measures to protect their finish since they claim the car was perfect when it left their factory? Even a new Honda comes wrapped in protective plastic film.

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Old May 29, 2013 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
I don't have any pictures of the scratches but I do know they were nowhere near this paint damage.

I still struggle to understand how that paint damage could have occurred "in transport" but lets just pretend that it did so you don't have to get your crayons out. Surely Koenigsegg have shipped cars all around the world before - do they make any preventative measures to protect their finish since they claim the car was perfect when it left their factory? Even a new Honda comes wrapped in protective plastic film.

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When did i ever mentioned that the paint damage ocorred during transport?
 
Old May 29, 2013 | 06:35 AM
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Oh, so you don't believe what Koenigsegg claimed in their rebuttal either? Good - I had hoped you were more logical than that.

Now do you believe it left the factory that way? Or do you think it was... SABOTAGE?

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Old May 29, 2013 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
I don't really care what anyone's personal feelings are about the owner. It's mostly irrelevant in my opinion, but easy to focus on by people who can only speculate on who the characters are and what really happened here. I've never even met BC so I have no particular bias one way or another. Plenty of people sure seem to think they know him based on some things he has written on the internet though.
The owner's personality is important because 99% of all customers would have known that these things can happen. It's not like the car began blistering a year from paint which would have indicated far more serious problems but this was a fresh coat and it had made it's way from Sweden to the US and was standing in the baking hot US summer.

Originally Posted by Peloton25
The car was delivered - it came to the USA in an unfinished state so that it could be displayed at the The Quail. Are you suggesting that it was supposed to go back to Sweden for some final work before coming back to the USA to live with its owner? That doesn't seem to be how the story was told by the owner or by Koenigsegg in their rebuttal.
I'm suggesting it did not pass PDI in that condition as suggested by Koenigsegg and I am suggesting it was quickly rectified once discovered upon arrival. And yes, they would have flown it back to Sweden.

When the car arrived to the Pebble Beach weekend there was paint blemishes on the corner of the front right side of the bonnet.

The paint issue was not there before the car was flown over from Sweden to the US. It would not pass our PDI in that state.

The damage was rectified locally directly after the show at our expense. We also offered the customer to take the car back to Sweden to our paint shop if he wanted us to.


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Originally Posted by Peloton25
The paint damage photo is a closeup taken with one of Canon's highest quality professional cameras - it is bound to show every little detail without any enhancement as you claim. With the photo and videos of the full car you have posted are you suggesting that 'Good from 10 feet' is acceptable quality?
I am suggesting the image you posted is underexposed and with so much contrast and sharpening you can't even see the tyre stamps or carbon fiber strands because it has all been blotted out by the very obvious heavy filtering. It's the opposite of taking a photo with a flash and then have a bunch of dust particles show up that you didn't notice with the naked eye. This is the same thing only someone has made sure the shadows will be as crisp as possible to make it look worse than it is.

Originally Posted by Peloton25
Maybe for your girlfriend, but on on a million dollar supercar, I think not.
Really shows what a petty person you are for bringing my girlfriend into this.

Originally Posted by Peloton25
Keep in mind that I am not some Koenigsegg hater. I actually like their products and had a lot of respect for the company but I can still see how poorly they have handled this situation and am not afraid to say it.
Yeah, yeah. We can tell you are a rational person.

Originally Posted by Peloton25
I still struggle to understand how that paint damage could have occurred "in transport" but lets just pretend that it did so you don't have to get your crayons out. Surely Koenigsegg have shipped cars all around the world before - do they make any preventative measures to protect their finish since they claim the car was perfect when it left their factory? Even a new Honda comes wrapped in protective plastic film.
If it was moisture and they wrapped the car it would only have made the blisters worse.

And I bet it got a far better ride than a Honda. I don't think you have to worry about it flying economy...
 
Old May 29, 2013 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
Now do you believe it left the factory that way? Or do you think it was... SABOTAGE?
Idiot.
 
Old May 29, 2013 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Peloton25
Oh, so you don't believe what Koenigsegg claimed in their rebuttal either? Good - I had hoped you were more logical than that.

Now do you believe it left the factory that way? Or do you think it was... SABOTAGE?

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Yep..... I'm gonna need to get my crayons out...

What Koenigsegg claims has nothing to do with the paint or the scratches. That was solved very quickly, and Koenigsegg public asked for apologies for the state of the paint work and the scratches.
 

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Old May 29, 2013 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by elhimiel
...but this was a fresh coat and it had made it's way from Sweden to the US and was standing in the baking hot US summer.
Now you are just making shit up for the sake of bolstering your failing arguments.

I was in Monterey for the Pebble Beach events last year and the weather was wonderful the entire week. There was no 'baking hot US summer' even in the dustbowl that is the Laguna Seca Raceway where it can get to a scorching 110 degrees (enjoyed that during a MotoGP race there one year) and certainly not closer to the coast in Carmel at the Quail and down at Big Sur where the Koenigsegg spent most of its time. I bet it never even broke 80F all week.

On top of that - the car's paint was not that fresh. BC had been posting photos from the build process on LfourP in the months leading up to its August reveal and most of the car was painted well in advance of it being shipped. Cars like these take months to build - they certainly don't wait to paint them until two days before they leave the factory, not even two weeks and probably not even two months. Honestly - you two and your blind faith arguments suggesting that 'Koenigsegg can do no wrong' is getting ridiculous.

Let's not even talk about the fact that there was no way the car was US emissions legal - how much longer should the owner have waited for that to be resolved while Christian counted his money?

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