no there was no bad beat pot, so i got nothing but heartache!

 

Huh?? Not quite following that. If you're referring to the Youtube clip of the WSOP Main Event, the guy who won had the worst hand pre-flop (K-J suited) and was still well behind after the flop. He hit a 4-outer on the turn to move ahead on the hand. The river was just cruel, as it was one of two cards in the deck (the 9 of diamonds being the other) that would likely make the guy holding pocket Aces feel like he was holding the nuts when he actually wasn't. Any other diamond that doesn't pair the board, or a brick, on the river and it's far less likely the other player goes all-in after being raised.

 

I'm trying to differentiate between having your money in with the worst hand and having your money in with the best hand. It's a horrible setup is what it is. But I guarantee that if the river's a brick, the set of aces are in. You'd be surprised how hard it is for most people to throw away their hand with a pretty good board, the only thing that you need to worry about being KJ.

But in terms of bad beat vs non bad beat, let's say the money's in on the flop through whatever set of events you can think of. Aces makes a feeler bet, KJ makes a sucker move and gets called. Whatever you have it. And THEN he spikes that 10 let alone the Ad. That's a bad beat. He's drawing to the 4 outer (16%) and potentially runner dims. Aces have him crushed there. But when that 10 fell and they moneys not in, while I feel bad for the aces because it's a setup, it's not a bad beat. I mean there's no way the aces can get away there. You gotta pay the guy off. BUT, if the aces made a play on the flop, which may not have been the most positive EV play, he probably could've taken it down.

 

Pocket rockets get cracked by K-J suited by a gutshot on the turn = bad beat

 

Anyone that plays Aces like he can't lose= Fish

 

true that.

 

Regardless of the quality of his play, it was a bad beat. The worst starting hand lost. If they had gone all-in pre-flop and the hand had been dealt out in the same manner, is that not a bad beat?

 

They go in preflop, then it's a bad beat. Trust me, once you play enough poker, you'll understand what I mean. Once you get good, you rarely get your money in with the worst hand. So when you lose with your hand being the better hand with the money in, that's the only bad beat you understand. Everything else is just people who can't play well enough and don't know how to fold.

 

yep, flop