Thoughts on high barrier to entry for racing?
#21
Only top 3 in F1 actually makes money, the rest has to pay... The drivers aren't the best either, there just having fun, but there are many much better drivers that can't afford F1.
The best example must be Valentino Rossi, I remember that he had the opportunity to drive an Ferrari F1 car once, on that first day he broke all records Schumi had on that track
The best example must be Valentino Rossi, I remember that he had the opportunity to drive an Ferrari F1 car once, on that first day he broke all records Schumi had on that track


#22
I just started getting really into F1 last year and have never really been interested in Nascar but as I get more familiar with all the ins and outs of professional race teams (Specifically F1) and the massive expense to run and operate these teams I guess i'm a bit disheartened to find out almost all of the current F1 drivers were/are multimillionaires prior to coming into the sport and some get to drive specifically because their family can bring X millions to the team for the year.
Button's Dad... rich. Hamilton's Dad... rich. Webber seems to be one of the few that truly fought his way up through the ranks over a long time unless i'm missing something?
I guess part of me wishes that talent and talent alone would determine who the elite drivers are in the world but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I guess as with any sport - those that succeed start at a young age and have the financial backing to do so (be it football or go karts). Just wanted to know what you guys all thought on it?
Has there been a time in F1 when a true grass roots come from nothing hero was given the chance to compete on the world stage based on their raw talent?
Button's Dad... rich. Hamilton's Dad... rich. Webber seems to be one of the few that truly fought his way up through the ranks over a long time unless i'm missing something?
I guess part of me wishes that talent and talent alone would determine who the elite drivers are in the world but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I guess as with any sport - those that succeed start at a young age and have the financial backing to do so (be it football or go karts). Just wanted to know what you guys all thought on it?
Has there been a time in F1 when a true grass roots come from nothing hero was given the chance to compete on the world stage based on their raw talent?
#23
Minardi had some interesting thoughts on this subject today.
Former Minardi Boss: Young Drivers Need More F1 Opportunities - Written by David Bean
Former Minardi Boss: Young Drivers Need More F1 Opportunities - Written by David Bean
#24
Its a large catch 22.
If you don't have your own cash you need sponsors. To get sponsors you need a full ride. But to get a full ride you need cash.
Even your grand am teams cost to run. For a mid pack continental tire team you are looking at 7-12k per weekend.
Trust me been in the situation where I was there to race for the weekend free of charge but a paid driver came in and I got bumped on dozens of occasions.
Just a fact of life cash = speed.
A great race car driver can not win with a slow car and vice versa.
If you don't have your own cash you need sponsors. To get sponsors you need a full ride. But to get a full ride you need cash.
Even your grand am teams cost to run. For a mid pack continental tire team you are looking at 7-12k per weekend.
Trust me been in the situation where I was there to race for the weekend free of charge but a paid driver came in and I got bumped on dozens of occasions.
Just a fact of life cash = speed.
A great race car driver can not win with a slow car and vice versa.
#25
Link to source on that? I thought I recall him setting decent lap times (within a second or two of typical F1 drivers), but no records.
Anyhow, that's not a great example. If you'll recall last year's season finale and the testing that took place shortly thereafter...Ricciardo's best time in Vettel's car was quicker than the pole for that final GP, but it just means that with enough time to set hot lap after hot lap anything can happen (especially with variable weather conditions).
Anyhow, that's not a great example. If you'll recall last year's season finale and the testing that took place shortly thereafter...Ricciardo's best time in Vettel's car was quicker than the pole for that final GP, but it just means that with enough time to set hot lap after hot lap anything can happen (especially with variable weather conditions).
MotoGP rider Valentino Rossi tests 2008 Ferrari F1 in Spain - YouTube
#26
Here some sources about Rossi's F1 laptimes:
- Rossi Completes Ferrari Test on High, Just Misses Lap Record - NYTimes.com
- Valentino Rossi impresses in Ferrari F1 test - | Motorcycle Sport | MotoGP News | MotoGP Results | MCN
No broken record, but damn impressive time!
And about the F1 drivers' salaries:
- F1 2010 driver salaries revealed
- Rossi Completes Ferrari Test on High, Just Misses Lap Record - NYTimes.com
- Valentino Rossi impresses in Ferrari F1 test - | Motorcycle Sport | MotoGP News | MotoGP Results | MCN
No broken record, but damn impressive time!
And about the F1 drivers' salaries:
- F1 2010 driver salaries revealed
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