I'm sorry I'm fairly stupid, can you dumb it down a bit for me and explain what part of creating a sub 7 minute halo car is pathetic?

P.S. Ron Dennis also molested me as a child hence I also hate all things mclaren with a passion.

 

Your pathetic you POS, put up or shut up, like a POS like you would have a chance to sit in a P1, let alone a 458 or 12C. Keep dreaming Internet Troll. Surprised no one has not banned you for all you write on here is garbage, if you ever have something good to say about anything post it, instead of your childish Smiley faces you POS!

 

Don't they teach logic in your high school, or is it middle school? You have no point and probably no friends to boot. There's still time to right your ship. Take a long look in the mirror. It can't be that bad.

 

This thread is getting uglier by the minute.

 

Ah, I see the clown is back. Good.

 

Yeah, not really. Go look under his name now on his post.

 

I've learned today that the car went significantly faster than the 918. That's all I can say.

 

So, what then can you add exactly? I'm not attacking you personally Salihbjk, so apologies in advance.

But that is the same type of statement made 300 times a day on the internet about this car. Everybody on the "inside" knows exactly how fast this car is; yet every car enthusiast or possible future McLaren buyer is made to eat crow until when exactly? Oh, releasing numbers are a "risk" now. “It doesn’t matter to anyone except those who will own the P1.” others have mentioned. Bollocks! What about ‘future’ owners of the brand? Does the company’s reputation matter now, or are we all in it for the quick buck?

McLaren can suck it and it's 'Ring time. How long has the car been out now and not a single independent number has been confirmed by a 3rd party source? McLaren can bulls**t the rest of the world into believing the performance was all about the Nurburgring, yet so many other racetracks exist. Safer ones too. Oh...it's winter. Right. There are only racetracks and roads in the northern hemisphere... They’re worried Ferrari will one-up them down the road. It goes round and round.

No journalist has driven the car without a McLaren employee sitting in the passenger seat, and not a single 3rd party entity has been given the car thus far with the exception of Top Gear. And their numbers are where? Not EVO, AmS, CAR magazine, no American car mag, no Austrailian car mag, not a single drive by Chris Harris or any other reputable journo, nothing.

We’ve heard it all now:
‘Ring times way under 6:57, 9.8 @ 152mph quarter mile times, 0-186mph in 16.5, 3.9 G’s in the corners, stability at speed unrivaled by GT3 race cars, braking better than any other road car in history, the list goes on… Care to test that last claim against a 991 GT3 with PCCB’s? Think you’ll ever see a P1 vs GT3 vs C7 ZO6 vs GTR vs LaF vs 918 vs Viper vs ? at the 2014 Motor Trend driver’s car of the year? Keep dreaming.

McLaren claims that ‘Ring times are dangerous, unofficial and open to cheating. They are right of course. But why not take the higher road here? Release the car. A customer spec car. Not a Ferrari press car. Give it to the journos to test. Tell them to get real world numbers on the car. Hell, tell them to go out and try to break the car if they can – show them and us that they are confident in their creation.

Porsche essentially builds a car, for good or bad, and in due time tosses the keys to the motoring world and asks, "How'd we do?" McLaren, Ferrari, Nissan, et al build one-offs, bring teams of engineers and sometimes multiple cars along with them to 3rd party tests under threats and then hide behind their history while misdirecting and obfuscating their own accomplishments behind walls and changing politics.

 

I think I agree with Zeus on this. Porsche has been very open with the 918. They let journalists drive pre-production prototypes. They have stated that their goal with this car is not "one car to rule them all" but a top of the line super sports car that pushes the technological boundaries.

Ferrari and Mclaren seem intent on creating halo cars with unmatched performance. Maybe the P1 is as good as they say. But what we've not seen and not heard is causing a lot of people to question that. That seems to be a marketing problem for McLaren.

This is what I think P1's problem is: it's the middle child here. 918 comes out first. You've stated your car is going to be WAY better but if it doesn't blow the 918 times away you have a problem. You then have the LaFerrari coming out after you. If you release numbers Ferrari can target those and only needs to beat you by a small margin to be the best super sports car.

Until there is a real world independent test of the P1 and LaFerrai this is all speculation and we simply don't know.

 

For those who took the time to read my last post, thanks and please understand that while I sound angry about the issues at hand, it is more of a playful frustration rather than true anger. The fact that these types of cars exist at all is a modern miracle to say the least. I am a true car enthusiast, and it is my humble opinion that machines like these and the people who create them truly make the world a much better place especially when combined with like-minded responsible and intelligent drivers.

The battle between these sports car makers, whether we are talking about Mazda Miata’s or McLaren P1’s will unfortunately pale in comparison to the battles these companies face in the future with regards to draconian government regulations around the world.

May we all find the strength to keep our love of this hobby alive in the troubling times ahead.