"Mega Mac" to be unveiled in May
#11
03-18-2012, 06:34 PM
I'd just like to point out that there was never a goal during the development of the F1 to have it be the fastest car in the world. Rather it was just a positive consequence of a brilliant package McLaren Cars developed. With the performance the Gordon Murray wanted from his engine and the slippery design they covered the car with it ultimately went a whole lot faster than they intended or imagined.
It's also important to note that while they set a fairly unofficial top speed of 231 mph for the F1 in 1993 with XP3 at the Nardo Ring before production began, they waited until production had ceased before they ever bothered to see how fast it could really go, using XP5 at VW's Ehra Lessien test track in Germany. If having the highest top speed had really been a target for them they'd have tested it right out of the box for an official result the way we see Bugatti, Koenigsegg and other manufacturers doing today.
As for the 3-seater layout - yes, that was one of the things that makes the F1 truly special but it is unfortunately not practical with today's mandated safety standards for side impacts. In order to have occupants in those outer seats remain safe in a crash the car would have to be much wider than is practical.
Look at it this way - the F1 was the best they could do in 1992 and McLaren P12 will be the best that they can offer under present conditions. A lot has changed in 20 years.
>8^)
ER
It's also important to note that while they set a fairly unofficial top speed of 231 mph for the F1 in 1993 with XP3 at the Nardo Ring before production began, they waited until production had ceased before they ever bothered to see how fast it could really go, using XP5 at VW's Ehra Lessien test track in Germany. If having the highest top speed had really been a target for them they'd have tested it right out of the box for an official result the way we see Bugatti, Koenigsegg and other manufacturers doing today.
As for the 3-seater layout - yes, that was one of the things that makes the F1 truly special but it is unfortunately not practical with today's mandated safety standards for side impacts. In order to have occupants in those outer seats remain safe in a crash the car would have to be much wider than is practical.
Look at it this way - the F1 was the best they could do in 1992 and McLaren P12 will be the best that they can offer under present conditions. A lot has changed in 20 years.
>8^)
ER
#12
03-18-2012, 08:20 PM
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"Mega Mac" is such a lame tag. I'd much rather walk into a dealership and say, "Can I please order a Big Mac."
#14
03-19-2012, 12:21 AM
For all the people complaining, thank your elected politicians. McLaren can only build what safety regulations allow for. While we would all love to see another V12 3 seater but there are far too many regulatory barriers that either make it too expensive or impractical to build.
How many times does this point need to be made in the article and in responses?
So far we've heard this will be a 900+ hp twin turbo supercar with stunningly futuristic styling and the most advanced technology on the road. I am sorry if this is not good enough for so many of you. If you don't like the car, don't buy it. Put your energy into something you do like instead of what you don't.
How many times does this point need to be made in the article and in responses?
So far we've heard this will be a 900+ hp twin turbo supercar with stunningly futuristic styling and the most advanced technology on the road. I am sorry if this is not good enough for so many of you. If you don't like the car, don't buy it. Put your energy into something you do like instead of what you don't.
Last edited by jhietter; 03-19-2012 at 12:34 AM.
#15
03-19-2012, 01:55 AM
If they can't make a three seater, there should be an option to get a single, center seat and two rear view mirrors 
On a more serious note, I'm sure this car will be a technological masterpiece, just like every McLaren is. I'm excited to see Lamborghini, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, and Pagani's response to this vehicle.
On a more serious note, I'm sure this car will be a technological masterpiece, just like every McLaren is. I'm excited to see Lamborghini, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, and Pagani's response to this vehicle.
#18
03-19-2012, 05:59 AM
For all the people complaining, thank your elected politicians. McLaren can only build what safety regulations allow for. While we would all love to see another V12 3 seater but there are far too many regulatory barriers that either make it too expensive or impractical to build.
How many times does this point need to be made in the article and in responses?
So far we've heard this will be a 900+ hp twin turbo supercar with stunningly futuristic styling and the most advanced technology on the road. I am sorry if this is not good enough for so many of you. If you don't like the car, don't buy it. Put your energy into something you do like instead of what you don't.
How many times does this point need to be made in the article and in responses?
So far we've heard this will be a 900+ hp twin turbo supercar with stunningly futuristic styling and the most advanced technology on the road. I am sorry if this is not good enough for so many of you. If you don't like the car, don't buy it. Put your energy into something you do like instead of what you don't.
Yes, you're right. I actually think this car will be fantastic, it isn't the case that I think the car will be fully wrong (just expected the F1 seat configuration a lot), Otherwise I'm pretty sure I'll be blown away by the new car. BTW, I don't really think they should speak of an F1 successor in any way... I don't think there can be one.
#19
03-19-2012, 10:28 AM
I'd just like to point out that there was never a goal during the development of the F1 to have it be the fastest car in the world. Rather it was just a positive consequence of a brilliant package McLaren Cars developed. With the performance the Gordon Murray wanted from his engine and the slippery design they covered the car with it ultimately went a whole lot faster than they intended or imagined.
It's also important to note that while they set a fairly unofficial top speed of 231 mph for the F1 in 1993 with XP3 at the Nardo Ring before production began, they waited until production had ceased before they ever bothered to see how fast it could really go, using XP5 at VW's Ehra Lessien test track in Germany. If having the highest top speed had really been a target for them they'd have tested it right out of the box for an official result the way we see Bugatti, Koenigsegg and other manufacturers doing today.
As for the 3-seater layout - yes, that was one of the things that makes the F1 truly special but it is unfortunately not practical with today's mandated safety standards for side impacts. In order to have occupants in those outer seats remain safe in a crash the car would have to be much wider than is practical.
Look at it this way - the F1 was the best they could do in 1992 and McLaren P12 will be the best that they can offer under present conditions. A lot has changed in 20 years.
>8^)
ER
It's also important to note that while they set a fairly unofficial top speed of 231 mph for the F1 in 1993 with XP3 at the Nardo Ring before production began, they waited until production had ceased before they ever bothered to see how fast it could really go, using XP5 at VW's Ehra Lessien test track in Germany. If having the highest top speed had really been a target for them they'd have tested it right out of the box for an official result the way we see Bugatti, Koenigsegg and other manufacturers doing today.
As for the 3-seater layout - yes, that was one of the things that makes the F1 truly special but it is unfortunately not practical with today's mandated safety standards for side impacts. In order to have occupants in those outer seats remain safe in a crash the car would have to be much wider than is practical.
Look at it this way - the F1 was the best they could do in 1992 and McLaren P12 will be the best that they can offer under present conditions. A lot has changed in 20 years.
>8^)
ER
As for the 3 seater layout again the fact that they have to use the current tub, current safety rules plus the fact that if you are a let’s say a little on the heavy side, then getting into a centre seat layout is almost impossible. Therefore possibly alienating a large proportion of you possible client base.
As a bunch of purest on here we may lament the passing of these things but let’s be honest most of us here are unlikely to be in the market for this car.
#20
03-19-2012, 12:27 PM
I got some info from an independent person who actually works-has a project with McLaren
He said me P11 - P12 and P13 make widespread use of carryover. Almost all the components P11 is used also in P13(baby mclaren) and P12("mega mac"), could be a partial disappointment even if certain things only insiders can know.
P13 will be exactly half way between a Cayman and a 991.
He told me that McLaren unfortunately, from separation by Mercedes, has lost so much know-how.
He said me P11 - P12 and P13 make widespread use of carryover. Almost all the components P11 is used also in P13(baby mclaren) and P12("mega mac"), could be a partial disappointment even if certain things only insiders can know.
P13 will be exactly half way between a Cayman and a 991.
He told me that McLaren unfortunately, from separation by Mercedes, has lost so much know-how.