Death of the Manual
#1
At least for the M5 an M6. That really sucks. I guess I'll be stuck buying M3's for the rest of my life.
Source:BMW to retire manual gearboxes for M5, M6
Source:BMW to retire manual gearboxes for M5, M6
The next-generations of BMW’s M5 and M6 products will come fitted exclusively with automatic transmissions, one of the automaker’s top engineers has revealed.
BMW currently offers the M5 with a manual transmission and the M6 will soon sprout a third pedal, but that will mark the end of manual transmissions in both cars. The take rate for manual gearboxes has dipped below profitable levels, meaning the next M5 and M6 will only be available with dual-clutch transmissions.
“Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It’s declining,” Albert Biermann, M’s head of engineering, told Inside Line.
The United States is the only market that gets manual versions of either car.
Biermann points to the high cost of development for the extinction of the manual transmission in the M5 and M6. Although cheaper to build than a dual-clutch unit, manual transmissions require extra engineering work, making them more costly to produce than their automatic counterparts.
“Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it’s very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn’t work out cheaper,” Biermann said.
Although manual versions of the M5 and M6 are riding off into the sunset, Biermann says BMW will continue to produce manual versions of the M3. “The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,” he said.
BMW currently offers the M5 with a manual transmission and the M6 will soon sprout a third pedal, but that will mark the end of manual transmissions in both cars. The take rate for manual gearboxes has dipped below profitable levels, meaning the next M5 and M6 will only be available with dual-clutch transmissions.
“Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It’s declining,” Albert Biermann, M’s head of engineering, told Inside Line.
The United States is the only market that gets manual versions of either car.
Biermann points to the high cost of development for the extinction of the manual transmission in the M5 and M6. Although cheaper to build than a dual-clutch unit, manual transmissions require extra engineering work, making them more costly to produce than their automatic counterparts.
“Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it’s very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn’t work out cheaper,” Biermann said.
Although manual versions of the M5 and M6 are riding off into the sunset, Biermann says BMW will continue to produce manual versions of the M3. “The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,” he said.
#2
How can you make "the ultimate driving machine" without offering the most in driver involvement. I'm surprised they won't even offer it as special order.
They have fallen into the abyss.
I've sat the past, almost, 10 years waiting for BMW to reclaim its roots. The 1M was too little too late.
Oh well. It will come back some day- and everyone will think they are uber-nostalgic-geniuses for doing it.
They have fallen into the abyss.
I've sat the past, almost, 10 years waiting for BMW to reclaim its roots. The 1M was too little too late.
Oh well. It will come back some day- and everyone will think they are uber-nostalgic-geniuses for doing it.
Last edited by HarveyMushman; Jun 21, 2012 at 09:17 PM.
#7
I love this debate its old news. Who wants to drive a 6 or 7MT on the street in traffic I did it for 20 years dont miss is one bit.. for the purists who insist for the track most race cars dont run manual trannies either.
#9
i will always love manuals
#10
me. with the technology even in my audi i can drive the s4 in traffic in 2nd gear and without putting my foot on the clutch or the gas it will coast at 10mph. and it will do the same in 1st gear at 5mph. huge stress reliever and amazing technology to basically fix the one aspect of manual tranny that no one likes. all the while not compromising the daily driving fun. its not the same when i have to press the sport mode button on my 911 to get it to be fun
i will always love manuals
i will always love manualsI dont miss it one bit.




