6-33 was only a number for nothing. P1 previous run was 7-04

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lol at p1 6.33

PS
Big up to porsche

 

I agree. There were a few sketchy moments but for the most part the car looked very composed, and didn't appear "blisteringly fast" as you would think a sub 7 minute lap would. As you said Lieb definitely left a bit on the table in a few sections. What a car.

 

Well; that's crazy!!

 

Radical Sportscars drove from their small factory in Peterborough, England, to the Nordschleife with their SR8 LM and posted a 6.48 on road tyres. I think the Porsche can probably get close to that. Still think a P1 doing a 6.33 is laughable? I guess we'll see...

 

Radical made their lap with dunlop direzza track tyres. These tyres are far from being road tyres.

Now I have seen a post where porsche engineer said that p1 hasn't even passed 7 20s

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the front e engine disconnects over a certain speed thats why its not as fast .
however the time is 5 seconds faster than the initial quote now .

Its the tyres too , you can see they were annihilated at the end of the lap .

I used to think the same but Im not so sure now . I think the POrsche cant lose , they never said they would be the fastest on track . Unlike Ron Dennis .

please hear me out Id like to add my tuppence to the discussion .
P1 vs 918 .

I have been watching the development of these cars very closely .
I am a 12c owner and a Mclaren ( but mainly Porsche) fan .

I think Mclaren should be concerned .
The last time Mclaren went to the ring it was to "smash" the record . BTG times a 7.04 , Mclaren failed to comment . It's not the p1's first run gents . They were there before and it was only a few seconds slower .
As for the P1 time , Customer cars are being delivered in next 10 days and the weather will be changing at the ring now .
When will they do it and will they be timed by independents with witnesses etc ?
Please read the below , its from the press release :

The record, which was previously held for four years, was even broken during the first attempt in the test drive on the morning of September 4. All three drivers – Former European Rally Champion Walter Röhrl, Porsche test driver Timo Kluck and Porsche factory driver Marc Lieb – were quicker than the existing record with each lap driving the two 918 Spyder models used, and posted lap times of less than seven minutes on numerous occasions. Ultimately, it was Marc Lieb who posted the absolute best time of 6.57 minutes, driving at an average speed of 179.5 km/h, as measured by Wige Solutions. Marcus Schurig, editor-in-chief of sportscar magazine "sport auto", was on hand as an objective observer of the record-breaking runs. The two sportscars, which deliver an output of 887 bhp (652 kW), were equipped with the optional "Weissach package" to increase the driving dynamics, and lead out on the standard Michelin tyres developed specifically for the 918 Spyder.
Porsche hit a 6.57 .
This is horrific for Mclaren , it was with witnesses . The tyres on this car are NOT even TRACK BIASED TYRES .
I am shocked to tell you they are developed for grip , alweather use AND ECONOMY !
Lol economy for God sake .( p1 has more focused tyres ) I don't know enough about la Ferrari but I'm sure someone can enlighten us .

Watch the video You can see towards the end the non track tyres were dead , he was basically waiting for the front to bite .
Even with all the weight and luxury the 918 would be devastating on cup style rubber .
All the active aero elements were not even working !
This (918) is a luxurious all weather , Supercar , that's fully loaded with burmester sound systems , leather , infotainment systems etc etc . It's a bloody spider for god sake and was never meant to be a track day special . Like I said it was touted to me as a almost a Porsche veyron light , a do it all supercar AND fast on track .
A I said earlier Porsche can't really lose here , you see as they never said they would be fastest and never said they were building a track special .

Ron on the other hand did say they would kill everything on track and be the best drivers car ...
Just with the tyre , design , ethos and raison detre advantages advantage the p1 should crucify the the 918 . This car was touted as the ultimate track car while Porsche created a do it all , luxuriously appointed CABRIO and Ferrari a rolling work of glorious art . THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CLOSE < MCLAREN PROMISED THE FASTEST , THE ULTIMATE TRACK CAR . In all honestly I shouldnt even need to write this .

In my blunt and ( I admit ) harsh opinion anything less than TOTAL domination of the P1 on tracks like the ring is a failure for mclaren and I blame Ron Dennis himself for promising stuff that there was absolutely no reason to promise . Its always better to under promise and over deliver , the reverse is suicide .


One more factoid .
There was a run of 6:48 on non e rated tyres , this was an internal Porsche thing only done out of curiosity . This is not very important to them or us I am the first to admit . The stickier tyres will possibly be offered later as an option for the Weissach package . I believe this it is being kept hush hush in case they need to bring out a faster time should any other car smash them too far out of the park .

Mclaren need to push and hard . Im not sure they can do it and I fear we may see a P1 in the barriers in the next few weeks ...

Moral of the story is , PORSCHE nobody does it better

 

Very good points wtdoom. I honestly think it is becoming scary just how unmatched Porsche engineers are. The 991 GT3 faster than the 12C? The insane acceleration of the 991 Turbo? The 918's sub 7 minute time on track neutral tires, that coupled with how heavy and luxurious it is.

Porsche engineers are truly unmatched in any performance related segment, and this record just tops it all off. Sure the Radical did it "faster" but as said put the 918 on track tires and it would go even faster.

I think this is all coming at a cost though. In my opinion, as astonishing as Porsche's performance feats are becoming, the cars are becoming far too refined and complicated. I'm almost positive Porsche won't be making any sort of manual transmission car in the near future. I hope I'm wrong though and they realize they can still focus their obsessive engineering on the principles they were founded on, rather than just making their cars post unbelievable numbers.

What I just wrote would probably be utter BS to any Porsche engineer, but as long as their is a second hand market abundant with bargain priced 997's and 993's I can't complain!

 

 

It seems that in the beginning of the main straight on the final part of the track the batteries were low, thats why Lieb moved to hybrid and thats why acceleration was stuck on 280-290. In the beginning of lap you can see how fast car hits 300 kph when charged. But, it seems to me, that the car was not fully charged before the run. So, comparably comfortable lap. If needed - they will hit 6-50 I think.