GT3RS 4.0 Limited Edition - Official Information Thread!
Oct 16, 2010 | 02:50 PM
#271
Teamspeed's Howitzer
Joined: Oct 2009
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I wouldn't be opposed to a 8-cylinder in the 911, but I have a compelling reason why it probably won't happen:
Why should Porsche have developed and introduced the direct-injection flat-6 only two years ago, then developed a turbocharged version for a few thousand 2010 Turbos, when they were planning to introduce an all-new engine two years later? The Boxster/Cayman will still use the flat-6 in the future, but why do the turbocharged one? I'm terribly sure they would have just upped the boost for the 2010 Turbo if they had a 8-cylinder in progress. Also, if a 8-cylinder is to come with the 991, it must have been in development by the time the direct-injection flat-6 was introduced. Considering the enormous costs in engine R&D on Porsche's level, two new engines in 5 years don't seem credible.
Besides that, what would the benefit of a 8-cylinder be in times of downsizing? The new DI 6 is quite light and very efficient. And stop claiming that one can only push a six-cylinder so far. It provides more than ample reserves of power for decades to come, with over 500 hp possible in naturally-aspirated form and a lot more with turbocharging.
EDIT: Could also be a flat-8 if it happens, so I put in 8-cylinder instead of V8.
Why should Porsche have developed and introduced the direct-injection flat-6 only two years ago, then developed a turbocharged version for a few thousand 2010 Turbos, when they were planning to introduce an all-new engine two years later? The Boxster/Cayman will still use the flat-6 in the future, but why do the turbocharged one? I'm terribly sure they would have just upped the boost for the 2010 Turbo if they had a 8-cylinder in progress. Also, if a 8-cylinder is to come with the 991, it must have been in development by the time the direct-injection flat-6 was introduced. Considering the enormous costs in engine R&D on Porsche's level, two new engines in 5 years don't seem credible.
Besides that, what would the benefit of a 8-cylinder be in times of downsizing? The new DI 6 is quite light and very efficient. And stop claiming that one can only push a six-cylinder so far. It provides more than ample reserves of power for decades to come, with over 500 hp possible in naturally-aspirated form and a lot more with turbocharging.
EDIT: Could also be a flat-8 if it happens, so I put in 8-cylinder instead of V8.
(As a side note and observation Porsche produced the DFI 4.8 V8 and DFI V6 panamera engines- it's the same block, just lobbed off two cyclinders. I wonder if they did the same with the 991?!)
Oct 16, 2010 | 05:47 PM
#272
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Joined: Mar 2010
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Official: 2011 Porsche 911 Carrera Cup Asia
Just Found this
Porsche Asia has released a new limited edition Carrera Cup model. The sports car, named 911 Carrera Cup Asia, is limited to only 30 pieces and will only be offered in the Chinese market.
The available color schemes are Guard Red, Carrera White, and black. All come with in-your-face Porsche Racing decals and painted, lightweight 19 inch wheels.
The engine performance is similar to the standard Carrera S. So 385hp and 420Nm of torque and an improved sprint time from zero to 100km/h (62mph) to 4.3 seconds (was 4.6). They achieved these figures by shedding weight throughout the setup of the vehicle. The engine is linked to a seven-speed PDK automatic transmission with a shift-paddles behind the steering wheel.
On the inside the Asian Carrera Cup variant has special alcantara Recaro seats with the option of carbon fiber backrests. Red signatures are available throughout the cabin, such as the illuminated Carrera S logo in the carbon fiber door sill. To complement the package there is a limited edition plaque. - GTspirit
Porsche Asia has released a new limited edition Carrera Cup model. The sports car, named 911 Carrera Cup Asia, is limited to only 30 pieces and will only be offered in the Chinese market.
The available color schemes are Guard Red, Carrera White, and black. All come with in-your-face Porsche Racing decals and painted, lightweight 19 inch wheels.
The engine performance is similar to the standard Carrera S. So 385hp and 420Nm of torque and an improved sprint time from zero to 100km/h (62mph) to 4.3 seconds (was 4.6). They achieved these figures by shedding weight throughout the setup of the vehicle. The engine is linked to a seven-speed PDK automatic transmission with a shift-paddles behind the steering wheel.
On the inside the Asian Carrera Cup variant has special alcantara Recaro seats with the option of carbon fiber backrests. Red signatures are available throughout the cabin, such as the illuminated Carrera S logo in the carbon fiber door sill. To complement the package there is a limited edition plaque. - GTspirit
Oct 16, 2010 | 06:46 PM
#273
AMGFanatic
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 15,965
From: MonteCarlo
This is just the natural order of things in this day and age. Differentiation sells and the best way to differentiate a premium car is performance and/or numbered editions.
GT3 - Street Performance car that's right at home on the track. Mainstream car
GT3 RS - High Performance Track Day car that's at home on the street. less numbers than a GT3, but not announced as a limited edition.
GT2 RS - Supercar on Steroids. Ultra High performance and numbered for exclusivity. Also big bucks and a Turbo. A lot of GT guys won't go for the Turbo. They want the NA high rev car.
GT3 RS LE - Ultra High Performance NA Supercar for the GT purest. Also "collectable" due to the limited , numbered edition. 4.0L engine also differentiates. I'm also sure that PCNA will price it at $200k + to maintain exclusivity.
The GT3RS LE creates enough separation where the GT2RS buyers don't care at all and most of the GT3RS buyers won't care either. Spec wise, not as strong as the GT2RS. Too expensive for a few extra HP vs. a GT3RS. If you're a track junkie, LE doesn't matter. Do you really want to pay a premium for a limited edition car and then drive the heck out of it on a track? Does a numbered edition really matter if you already own a GT3RS?
So in the end, I think Porsche will build the LE, they will ship 150 or so to the US and they will all sell out. Some current RS owners will buy them and drive them. Others will buy them and turn them into a garage queen. Some new buyers will use the car as an entry point into the Pcar world. I guess some others may get PO'd and stop buying Pcars, but I don't see why. Porsche is just following a pretty standard circle of life in marketing terms. I'm glad we have choices and I'm glad Porsche continues to push the envelope. Think of how boring this forum would be if all we had was a 997 Coupe and Cab, a TT Coupe and Cab and a GT3.
GT3 - Street Performance car that's right at home on the track. Mainstream car
GT3 RS - High Performance Track Day car that's at home on the street. less numbers than a GT3, but not announced as a limited edition.
GT2 RS - Supercar on Steroids. Ultra High performance and numbered for exclusivity. Also big bucks and a Turbo. A lot of GT guys won't go for the Turbo. They want the NA high rev car.
GT3 RS LE - Ultra High Performance NA Supercar for the GT purest. Also "collectable" due to the limited , numbered edition. 4.0L engine also differentiates. I'm also sure that PCNA will price it at $200k + to maintain exclusivity.
The GT3RS LE creates enough separation where the GT2RS buyers don't care at all and most of the GT3RS buyers won't care either. Spec wise, not as strong as the GT2RS. Too expensive for a few extra HP vs. a GT3RS. If you're a track junkie, LE doesn't matter. Do you really want to pay a premium for a limited edition car and then drive the heck out of it on a track? Does a numbered edition really matter if you already own a GT3RS?
So in the end, I think Porsche will build the LE, they will ship 150 or so to the US and they will all sell out. Some current RS owners will buy them and drive them. Others will buy them and turn them into a garage queen. Some new buyers will use the car as an entry point into the Pcar world. I guess some others may get PO'd and stop buying Pcars, but I don't see why. Porsche is just following a pretty standard circle of life in marketing terms. I'm glad we have choices and I'm glad Porsche continues to push the envelope. Think of how boring this forum would be if all we had was a 997 Coupe and Cab, a TT Coupe and Cab and a GT3.
Oct 17, 2010 | 08:27 AM
#274
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 430
From: Massachusetts
If I wanted a track street car, I would start with the 997 GT3 and customise it to my own liking I still think 20k difference between the RS and the GT3 is too much. A track guru would get the GT3 and go to the aftermarket scene which have lots of parts that settle for what he or she wants.
If we could make cars an unemotional issue (next to impossible) the layers Porsche have created (assuming they make the LE) are very practical They cover all the price bands, they cover all of the performance bands. Buyers have the ability to buy the lowest price band and mod their way up and there is also the collectibility factor for the GT2RS and the LE. Something for everyone, so to speak.
Last edited by BBTurbo; Oct 17, 2010 at 09:56 AM.
Oct 17, 2010 | 09:04 AM
#275
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 47
I got myself a 2011 GT3 RS which got delivered just a couple of months back......
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
Oct 17, 2010 | 10:12 AM
#276
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 430
From: Massachusetts
I got myself a 2011 GT3 RS which got delivered just a couple of months back......
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
It's a different car. If you always wait for the next gen, next upgrade or next version, you would never buy a car. Are 2011 Turbo buyers supposed to be PO'd because Porsche announced the Turbo S after they bought? Are C4S Cab buyers supposed to be PO'd because Porsche announced the Speedster?
Publicly, Porsche Germany will deny the existence of an RS LE until the press release comes out. They have too. From the inside out, many of us have been told the opposite. I'm one of the believers. Porsche will release an LE version of the GT3RS as a special tribute to the last 997 RS. It will have the 4.0 Liter Engine, it will make between 485 and 505 hp. It will be offered in wild color schemes. Less than 150 will come to the US. It will be an instant sell out. Would you really have held out an extra year and spent over $200k for the LE if you had the option? Would your dealer even been able to get you one? This will be just like the GT2RS. Not every dealer gets one. Not every buyer that wants one will get one. My dealer had one GT2RS AND 3 buyers in a small market.
Depending on the LE Spec, I may buy one, but prior knowledge definitely would not have prevented me from buying my RS and I won't be ticked off at Porsche for making an RS LE.
Oct 17, 2010 | 05:07 PM
#278
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 270
I think this car is coming... Never there was a smoke without fire.. somebody saw something from Porsche
We all feel like that when we buy new Porsches and then a newer/better versions come.. I booked a GT3 when it was first announced, when the RS was announced I said shall I cancel and buy the RS?! when the Turbo was announced later on I decided to keep the GT3 as if I kept waiting I would never drive one... Nothin is perfect, just live with what you have.
I got myself a 2011 GT3 RS which got delivered just a couple of months back......
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
After hearing all these Roamers about the limited edition RS. i have communicated this issue to the Porsche dealer explaining to them how Pissed off it will make me feel, knowing that i would get t he Limited Edition....
In SUM, there will not be any limited edition!
No CURRENT plans and as of today NO FUTURE plans!
This has been backed and confirmed to me by the local dealer through Porsche Germany.
Oct 17, 2010 | 08:04 PM
#279
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 390
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Don't get carried away by the two words "limited edition". It has no meaning.
My club coupe at 50 counts will be 10 times more rare than a GT2RS. Most people just view it as a 997S in a unique color. And it depreciates exactly like a regular 997S.
BTW I will not buy a GT3RS LE even if it is available. I will never exceed the limit of my RS on the track. I don't need more hp...just saying.
Oct 18, 2010 | 03:38 AM
#280
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 58
I don't think any current RS owners think they own a limited edition car. The best driver's car - Yes, limited - No.
Don't get carried away by the two words "limited edition". It has no meaning.
My club coupe at 50 counts will be 10 times more rare than a GT2RS. Most people just view it as a 997S in a unique color. And it depreciates exactly like a regular 997S.
BTW I will not buy a GT3RS LE even if it is available. I will never exceed the limit of my RS on the track. I don't need more hp...just saying.
Don't get carried away by the two words "limited edition". It has no meaning.
My club coupe at 50 counts will be 10 times more rare than a GT2RS. Most people just view it as a 997S in a unique color. And it depreciates exactly like a regular 997S.
BTW I will not buy a GT3RS LE even if it is available. I will never exceed the limit of my RS on the track. I don't need more hp...just saying.
Best, w
