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Ferrari Enzo Replacement to get V8 with up to 700bhp

Old Dec 18, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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A replacement for the Ferrari Enzo is under continuous development as witnessed by these spy pictures here. The Enzo, named after the company's founder, is the pinnacle of Ferrari road performance which means its engine is at the centre of discussion. Currently a 6.0-litre V12 does its duty to the extent of 492kW (669hp).

But now a rumour claims the new car, codenamed FX70/ F70, might actually get a twin turbo V8 instead. Someone told CarsUK that Maranello is testing both V12 and V8 configurations and it seems the 8-pot is winning. Maximum power is expected to peak at around 597kW (812hp) for the V12 and 522kW (710hp) for the V8. Insider purists are arguing for the former while presumably company brass want the force-fed option.

CarsUK says its information is quite reliable as it comes from a highly trusted Ferrari customer who gets called when a significant model is developed. Apparently he was asked if he wanted an Enzo and his answer was in the affirmative. He later retorted with his own question, wanting to know whether it would be a V12 or a V8. The answer was V8. He was even told not to even consider turbo lag as it is now a thing of the past.


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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 05:30 PM
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hopefully they still have a V12 version come out later, wonder what the top speed is.
 
Old Dec 18, 2009 | 05:33 PM
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Looks like the MP4-12C from the back.
 
Old Dec 18, 2009 | 06:12 PM
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Hope it doesn't look like that in finished form. The Murcielago style "dirt collectors" in front of the rear wheels are pretty silly.

Engine wise, the return to turbocharged, lightweight V8s in the supercars is anything but a bad thing.
 
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Engine wise, the return to turbocharged, lightweight V8s in the supercars is anything but a bad thing.
Amen....a la F40.
 
Old Dec 19, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Alzilla
Looks like the MP4-12C from the back.
+1

that was my first thought!
 
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Interesting news.
 
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I'm sure Ferrari will impress us all including me with whatever engine package they go with, and this car will wow us all and turn out to be one of the greatest performance cars in history.

But, as the unofficial Teamspeed "Danny Downer" (until DJ makes it official of course) I have to say that regardless of how accomplished this TTV8 will be, I find it a bit uninspiring & less than special. I think Ferrari brass has somewhat caved to their European government overloards and the green movement. What I mean by "less than special" is that, and I'll make a bit of an assumption here, is that the TTV8 for this car will be in the neighborhood of 3.0 to 4.0 liters in displacement. Even if it is bigger, it won't be by much. How many other perfomance cars out there are powerd by 3.0 - 4.0 liter Twin Turbo engines out there that are currently or will soon be in production? Many. And I won't go into how many engines of performance cars in the past have used the same formula... So, off the top of my head:

Nissan GT-R
911 Turbo
911 GT2
MP4-12C
Ford SHO

4.0 liter +

BMW X5, X6, 7 series, next M5


This sounds like too much like the XJ220 situation all over again. Fans & customers want a high-revving instant response powerful banchee wailing n/a V12 and what they get is a small, low revving(but high torque) wheezing V8 or V6. I'd hate for my special-run best that Ferrari could do supercar to sound 1/10 as good as my neighbor's LFA... Sure, the power will be there, and the low weight will make the difference, and it will be far easier to get even more power out of it. But what about being unique? How 'bout something off the wall experimental that is absolutely "mental?" A 12,000 rpm V12? A V9? A Flat 16? An all Titanium block V14? A Fricken' Radial? A 20,000 rpm X18 with electro-magnetic valves? Something no one else would do or try because of cost or just plain ego - Buggati W16 with 4 turbos anyone? Yes, weight is everything, so forget about the radio or AC in my example and just give me something that makes me cry tears of joy knowing that I have something very special when I go through a mountain tunnel and decide to prod the load peddle.

A Ferrari V8 will never be normal or a hopped-up version of a mass market engine. But this engine will be seen as an easier target for those who have lesser cars and any guy with a lesser-engined car with 30K will pump theirs up with some aftermarker add-ons and be able to say "Yeah...my 3.x liter V6 is smaller and now has more power than your million dollar Ferrari so why is your car so special, and even though I can't catch you around the track until I go on a diet..."

That may sound like an immature & childish way to think, but you guys know where I'm coming from I think. And don't get me started on on why we need to see a whopping 400 examples of 1 car model and how it's carbon footprint needs to be compared to the average DD Prius or pickup truck. 400 examples of 1 car that get 5 miles to the gallon driven 250K miles over their lifetimes aren't going to amoumt to the yearly amount of CO2 that 10 of these huge Douglas Firs outside my window can convert into fresh Oxygen over the course of a year.

Thanks for letting me vent BTW...
 

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Originally Posted by Zeus
I'm sure Ferrari will impress us all including me with whatever engine package they go with, and this car will wow us all and turn out to be one of the greatest performance cars in history.

But, as the unofficial Teamspeed "Danny Downer" (until DJ makes it official of course) I have to say that regardless of how accomplished this TTV8 will be, I find it a bit uninspiring & less than special. I think Ferrari brass has somewhat caved to their European government overloards and the green movement. What I mean by "less than special" is that, and I'll make a bit of an assumption here, is that the TTV8 for this car will be in the neighborhood of 3.0 to 4.0 liters in displacement. Even if it is bigger, it won't be by much. How many other perfomance cars out there are powerd by 3.0 - 4.0 liter Twin Turbo engines out there that are currently or will soon be in production? Many. And I won't go into how many engines of performance cars in the past have used the same formula... So, off the top of my head:

Nissan GT-R
911 Turbo
911 GT2
MP4-12C
Ford SHO

4.0 liter +

BMW X5, X6, 7 series, next M5


This sounds like too much like the XJ220 situation all over again. Fans & customers want a high-revving instant response powerful banchee wailing n/a V12 and what they get is a small, low revving(but high torque) wheezing V8 or V6. I'd hate for my special-run best that Ferrari could do supercar to sound 1/10 as good as my neighbor's LFA... Sure, the power will be there, and the low weight will make the difference, and it will be far easier to get even more power out of it. But what about being unique? How 'bout something off the wall experimental that is absolutely "mental?" A 12,000 rpm V12? A V9? A Flat 16? An all Titanium block V14? A Fricken' Radial? A 20,000 rpm X18 with electro-magnetic valves? Something no one else would do or try because of cost or just plain ego - Buggati W16 with 4 turbos anyone? Yes, weight is everything, so forget about the radio or AC in my example and just give me something that makes me cry tears of joy knowing that I have something very special when I go through a mountain tunnel and decide to prod the load peddle.

A Ferrari V8 will never be normal or a hopped-up version of a mass market engine. But this engine will be seen as an easier target for those who have lesser cars and any guy with a lesser-engined car with 30K will pump theirs up with some aftermarker add-ons and be able to say "Yeah...my 3.x liter V6 is smaller and now has more power than your million dollar Ferrari so why is your car so special, and even though I can't catch you around the track until I go on a diet..."

That may sound like an immature & childish way to think, but you guys know where I'm coming from I think. And don't get me started on on why we need to see a whopping 400 examples of 1 car model and how it's carbon footprint needs to be compared to the average DD Prius or pickup truck. 400 examples of 1 car that get 5 miles to the gallon driven 250K miles over their lifetimes aren't going to amoumt to the yearly amount of CO2 that 10 of these huge Douglas Firs outside my window can convert into fresh Oxygen over the course of a year.

Thanks for letting me vent BTW...
You make a few okay points, and I see what your trying to say, I think LOL. But Ferrari will never use a V6 in their halo car. As for the TT V8, I for one, and many, many others on Ferrarichat would love to see that. It would be like a modern day F40, which as we know is a huge automotive icon. A TT V8 could easily make more power and torque then a V12, and get better mileage and be less expensive to service as well. I hope they go with the TT V8!
 
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Originally Posted by SINISTR Z06
You make a few okay points, and I see what your trying to say, I think LOL. But Ferrari will never use a V6 in their halo car. As for the TT V8, I for one, and many, many others on Ferrarichat would love to see that. It would be like a modern day F40, which as we know is a huge automotive icon. A TT V8 could easily make more power and torque then a V12, and get better mileage and be less expensive to service as well. I hope they go with the TT V8!
I know Ferrari is not stupid enough to put a V6 in their halo car...yet. But the point I was trying to make is that Ferrari's top brass is clearly making the decision to go with a TTV8 instead of a V12 because of emissions & fuel economy, and that apparently no one car company wants to be viewed as "not-green" which is a sham, but that's not the topic I want to get into here... My argument 1st off is that from an enthusiasts standpoint the powerplant will be "evolutionary" as opposed to "revolutionary" in nature. My 2nd point is that if I, just me personally, were so concerned that my new Enzo II didn't get 23mpg as opposed to 20mpg than I should have bought a Lotus Elise or a Tesla and save me some serious coin. But you definitely have me on the service cost side of the argument.
 
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