Official: The New Ferrari F12berlinetta - Picture & Information Thread
Mar 1, 2012 | 01:46 PM
#201
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I was wondering same thing about Ferrari not using CF. but here is one trick:
Ferrari is in Formula 1 & they know all issues of CF in extreme conditions.
More important is, that Ferrari might be considering other composite.
For example brand new composite Tegris, that seems way more superior than CF in all aspects of using & reciclyng
If you have time, you can inform yourself here more: Tegris: Thermoplastic composite takes on carbon fiber
Ferrari is in Formula 1 & they know all issues of CF in extreme conditions.
More important is, that Ferrari might be considering other composite.
For example brand new composite Tegris, that seems way more superior than CF in all aspects of using & reciclyng
If you have time, you can inform yourself here more: Tegris: Thermoplastic composite takes on carbon fiber
Last edited by Milanno; Mar 1, 2012 at 01:50 PM.
Mar 1, 2012 | 02:18 PM
#202
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I saw a title on Car mag Antony Sheriff criticized ferrari (Felisa words) about debate aluminium-carbon fiber on road cars.Someone has the article or can summarize?thanks
Mar 1, 2012 | 04:57 PM
#204
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cmon guys...give em a break
you have to take in consideration that those are production cars and not one off pieces,so the production cost and followingly the price has to be kept as low as possible while offering the optimum for that price
all CF and lightweight aerospace grade material would skyrocket prices
On topic :
Great shots of the F12 in the flesh!
Def a head turner!
you have to take in consideration that those are production cars and not one off pieces,so the production cost and followingly the price has to be kept as low as possible while offering the optimum for that price
all CF and lightweight aerospace grade material would skyrocket prices
On topic :
Great shots of the F12 in the flesh!
Def a head turner!
Mar 1, 2012 | 05:07 PM
#205
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This new Ferrari does not compete with mid-engined Lambos with carbon frames.
Its a completely different car. For a super GT aluminum still works. Of course I'd prefer carbon but alum keeps costs down and let's them focus on more important things than 10/10ths performance- ride quality, NVH reduction, etc. The 599 might be silly fast but its not a race car, its a GT. This is the same; bonkers performance but still works on normal streets.
McLaren might be the only ones who have bridged the gap so far.
Its a completely different car. For a super GT aluminum still works. Of course I'd prefer carbon but alum keeps costs down and let's them focus on more important things than 10/10ths performance- ride quality, NVH reduction, etc. The 599 might be silly fast but its not a race car, its a GT. This is the same; bonkers performance but still works on normal streets.
McLaren might be the only ones who have bridged the gap so far.
I believe Lambo's investment in CF is gonna result in a bigger pay off further down the line than Ferrari's investments in aluminium.
Mar 1, 2012 | 05:49 PM
#206
You are completely missing the point. Whether the F12 competes with the Aventador is of no relevance. The fact remains, CF is a superior material to aluminium for sport- or supercars since it's lighter and more rigid. Even if it's just a GT and not a racecar, it would still benefit from these two factors. And if using aluminium is keeping costs down I wonder where exactely those lower costs have gone.
I believe Lambo's investment in CF is gonna result in a bigger pay off further down the line than Ferrari's investments in aluminium.
I believe Lambo's investment in CF is gonna result in a bigger pay off further down the line than Ferrari's investments in aluminium.
Mar 1, 2012 | 05:49 PM
#207
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You are completely missing the point. Whether the F12 competes with the Aventador is of no relevance. The fact remains, CF is a superior material to aluminium for sport- or supercars since it's lighter and more rigid. Even if it's just a GT and not a racecar, it would still benefit from these two factors. And if using aluminium is keeping costs down I wonder where exactely those lower costs have gone.
I believe Lambo's investment in CF is gonna result in a bigger pay off further down the line than Ferrari's investments in aluminium.
I believe Lambo's investment in CF is gonna result in a bigger pay off further down the line than Ferrari's investments in aluminium.
