Ferrari 599 successor to shun carbon-fiber
#11
Amedeo Felisa says CFRP is great for limited-edition cars like the Enzo, but when it comes to road cars, aluminum is still better.
'“The using of carbon fiber does not make sense,” Felisa told us in an interview. “If you compare what you can get with some part done in composite [with] full aluminum, you are very close in terms of weight…but the cost difference is huge.”' [Motor Trend]
My guess is, whatever methods Lamborghini is using for the Aventador and the like (or that Lexus uses for the LFA, for example) are proprietary and unique enough that Ferrari doesn't want to invest a ridiculous amount of cash investing in matching it for a slight weight gain, especially on cars they'll be building thousands upon thousands of.
That said, I'm betting every sports car maker is going to be pushing hard to lighten their cars towards the end of this decade, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Ferrari go CFRP for their next generation of sports cars five or six years from now. Also, carbon fiber production is just gonna become cheaper over time.
'“The using of carbon fiber does not make sense,” Felisa told us in an interview. “If you compare what you can get with some part done in composite [with] full aluminum, you are very close in terms of weight…but the cost difference is huge.”' [Motor Trend]
My guess is, whatever methods Lamborghini is using for the Aventador and the like (or that Lexus uses for the LFA, for example) are proprietary and unique enough that Ferrari doesn't want to invest a ridiculous amount of cash investing in matching it for a slight weight gain, especially on cars they'll be building thousands upon thousands of.
That said, I'm betting every sports car maker is going to be pushing hard to lighten their cars towards the end of this decade, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Ferrari go CFRP for their next generation of sports cars five or six years from now. Also, carbon fiber production is just gonna become cheaper over time.
#12
Nice though the LP700 carbon tub is, I hate to think what happens in an accident. When my SV's splitter got damaged in a hotel car park, Lamborghini insisted as an aero part it needed to be replaced, but the insurance company disagreed. I paid the CHF 22,000 myself. I can see insurance assessors arguing different repair costs all day long
#13
Nice though the LP700 carbon tub is, I hate to think what happens in an accident. When my SV's splitter got damaged in a hotel car park, Lamborghini insisted as an aero part it needed to be replaced, but the insurance company disagreed. I paid the CHF 22,000 myself. I can see insurance assessors arguing different repair costs all day long
#15
maybe there are other reasons as well....
SGL carbon is a supplier for carbon and it had a joint venture with Brembo...plus it may have supplied the raw materials for Ferrari
Now that BMW has taken the majority of shares in SGL carbon some things may have changed...
SGL carbon is a supplier for carbon and it had a joint venture with Brembo...plus it may have supplied the raw materials for Ferrari
Now that BMW has taken the majority of shares in SGL carbon some things may have changed...
#16
I remember Ferrari saying they will use CF only for very special cars like the Enzo replacement.
Anyways here is a rendering, which could be a bit close to reality
Gallery - | alVolante
Anyways here is a rendering, which could be a bit close to reality
Gallery - | alVolante
#19
It´s shame to hear statements like this from Ferrari. Alu is nice solution, but if you are using CF, you are able to make superior car. For me superior car is fast, light and safe!
With alu you will get weight, but with CF you are getting low weight combined with insanely high level of safety for driver! In my opinion driver safety should be very high in priority list when you are buliding supercar.
So, hands down for Lamborghini. Now its obvious how much effort they put in development and safety. Imagine this, Ferrari have in plans to work more with CF, and Lamborghini have car in CF already available for sale.
CF (like all other specific composits/materials) is expensive to get, but if you are serious factory there is only one way to do that: https://teamspeed.com/forums/aventad...ch-center.html
With alu you will get weight, but with CF you are getting low weight combined with insanely high level of safety for driver! In my opinion driver safety should be very high in priority list when you are buliding supercar.
So, hands down for Lamborghini. Now its obvious how much effort they put in development and safety. Imagine this, Ferrari have in plans to work more with CF, and Lamborghini have car in CF already available for sale.
CF (like all other specific composits/materials) is expensive to get, but if you are serious factory there is only one way to do that: https://teamspeed.com/forums/aventad...ch-center.html
#20
Any chance this is simply a translation error, they have been pushing the compressed carbon molding technologies. They might be calling it something else and no longer the traditional carbon fiber and just LIT.




