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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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IMO swapping wheels does not have a warranty cause and affect issue unless a different roll out is created. Now I favor the OEM Lamborghini wheels however other marquees offer alternate wheels at the time of purchase as a side bar and as a component of their business plan.

Furthermore companies such as HRE would not create such exposure for themselves

Then within the USA the "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act"was created to prevent such an arbitrary act action from being taken by any manufacture/seller of consumer goods.

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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SINISTR
Why is the warranty void?

And your comment on the wheels is false. HRE actually are very good wheels. 99% of all wheels are supplied by outside companies anyway.
The manual cleary states an alteration of OEM wheels (yes theymean the rolling correct size) voids the warranty due to the damge it causes to the VT coupling. As a matter of fact the cars are equiped with a "over heat" warning function for the VT, which comes on for lack of fluid and in most cases, in-correct wheel size matches with tire heights.

HRE wheels as well as many other manufactures are of good quailty. I did not say the were not. Howere, fact is fact that these wheels as with many other high performance wheels are ONLY required to be tested to 152MPH conditions. OEM wheels are not only tested to higher standards, but have research and development in them to "match" the paticular car they are designed for...not a one type fits and works for all cars. I have yet to see an aftermarket wheel that has the same "stress-strength" of such high numbers as the OEM wheel..which in turns relates to safety and failure concerns.

I am sure HRE as well as other wheels are of good high quality..but for me..I see no sense in screwing with R and D designed for the car...espically if driven to top speeds and track condtions as I do mine.

As far as liabilty and such...I can GUARANTEE you any failure of a wheel related item will casue for the manufacture to bear responsabilty, wheter it be in the future lawsuit or comparable neglegence settlement. Lamborghini would not allow it self to take the brunbt of the cost of failure when it was not even their product that was the "possible" cause of the issue.
 
Old Jun 15, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ag Surfer
In america, its never an automatic void. The manufacturer still bears the burden of proof that the malfunction was caused by the modification.
Correct, but JUST because it is the "Civil written law" as Shawdow man points out..does not mean it is an automatic roll over for the manufacturer...their legal war chest is quite large..and depending on the cause and effect and the cost of repair...they can LONG out wait a single person in a cause action suit..if it ever got to that point...which most likely not as no one (for the most part) will advance those funds for a small return. There is NO clause for collection of the prevailing parties legal fee's in this type of action...only the collection of damages caused and proved..

So spend 25K for a 5K repair..most likel;y not going to happen...but 25-50K for a death or major injury situation..more likely and possible...all comes down to the cost and recovery of each seperate situation.

BUT, in most cases I have seen, when the owner of the vehicle becomes aware of the failure of his VT system...fluid has been changed, OEM wheels back on, temp sensor reset and sold as quick as hell to an un-suspecting buyer.

Just another issue to be aware of when purchasing a car...

I have and do consign cars with the "after market" wheels, but advise and require a waiver signed indicating the "possible" problems with this.
 
Old Jun 15, 2010 | 10:15 PM
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"Furthermore companies such as HRE would not create such exposure for themselves"

I do not think any company "knowingly" creats exposure to themselves...but there is risk in any produced product. With nothing being 100% this possible issue for any manufacture is calculatede into the end cost of the product to the consumer for just such rare and very possible situations.

There IS RISK in all things man made...no matter how little it may be.
 
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Originally Posted by roytoy2003
"Furthermore companies such as HRE would not create such exposure for themselves"

I do not think any company "knowingly" creats exposure to themselves...but there is risk in any produced product. With nothing being 100% this possible issue for any manufacture is calculatede into the end cost of the product to the consumer for just such rare and very possible situations.

There IS RISK in all things man made...no matter how little it may be.
Life = Risk

Now as for HRE; my comment was only with regards to the automatic voiding of a warranty however in the end it the owner of the gal's responsibility to properly select the wheel and tire size because as Roy shared; expensive failure is eminent if the roll out is not as OEM; on this there is no question.

With regards to lawsuits and one's ability to maintain such an act; there is no doubt that the major players such as Lamborghini, Audi, and even HRE have this ability at a level well beyond most individuals.

So are HRE wheels tested at an extreme speed and cross load basis; this is a great question because I for one do not know and if I were to speculate I would say that they do not; at least not for a laundry list of marquees on which their wheels reside and in the end they likely see the tire as the greater limiting factor as well as how and where the gal is exercised.

Sadly most issues happen on public roads where the legal speed limits are considerably less than those that the gals can travel as such the operator of the gal assumes a great portion of the responsibility.

Now having shared this; I retain OEM because I like them and in the case of Lamborghini the wheels are IMO unique and befitting of the gals however I also understand the draw to alternate wheels as I have purchased other brand wheels too; and yes even HRE's.

It would be interesting to hear from ADV1 or ? to hear what mesures that they take to protect the consumer/end user.

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So.. aftermarket setups with OEM outter diameters still trip a VT problem?
 
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That looks amazing! Great pics on your Flickr page as well
 
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So.. aftermarket setups with OEM outter diameters still trip a VT problem?
No...... forget about the wheel diameter and as long as the diameter of the chosen tire is as if OEM then the VT would never be the wiser.

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Haha thats funny, I saw the same car this weekend in Rome! Will post a pic when I get home. Good spotting
 
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Originally Posted by Shadowman
No...... forget about the wheel diameter and as long as the diameter of the chosen tire is as if OEM then the VT would never be the wiser.

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This is correct
 



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