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Lambo OC Dealer pleads guilty to Fraud

Old Mar 12, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by .:Raul
I wonder if the owners of these cars will somehow get in trouble......I miean, whoever bought it for $60k had to know something was up

I'm sure that they are safe, but VW might try to make them co-conspirators?
This is an interesting question. If the buyers were "bona fide" - meaning that they had no knowledge of the scam, then they are safe. But, as you say, it is not reasonable to beleive that they didn't know something was up when they were purchasing a car for 10% of what it is worth. If they are not bonda fide purchasers, then they could definitely be charged criminally or be forced to either give up the car or pay the difference between what they gave and fair market value.

The trouble with such a case is proving the buyer's state of mind. I have a feeling that the first thing the government did was round up some of the customers that got "too good to be true" deals and had them ready to testify against Vik in exchange for immunity. That's what I would have done.
 
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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The max he could recieve is 30 years. He will get much, much less.

It is my understanding that he has not been officially sentenced yet. They are anticipating 2-3 years plus restitution.

I am merging this with the other threads on the same topic.
 

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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HBdirtbag
where did you see he's going to jail for 30 years?
From this website: Car Crime: Lamborghini Orange County Owner To Plead Guilty On Fraud Charges

"Not only is Vik Keuylian looking at a 30 year jail sentence, but a $1 million fine for all the conniving that he's done. This is all pending a judge's approval on Monday at the U.S. District Court in Santa Ana."
 
Old Mar 13, 2009 | 12:08 AM
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I never met him so I can't speak for personal character. However I hate to hear about anybody doing badly. I hope he doesn't go to jail for 30 years, I don't really wish that on anyone. (except maybe Madoff).
 
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The way I read it, he has a possibility of 30 years maxiumum under the sentencing recommendations for that level of crime. But, who makes a plea deal for the max??

Also, I find this statement from that site interesting: "Keuylian; Looks like you're up shit's creek without a paddle. We'll bring you more after the hearing on Monday." Now that's real journalism . . .
 
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Sad to see someone doing badly, sad even more to have not gotten the 60k Murc! btw, I wonder how much the purchaser is selling that car for? should get rid of it as soon as they can? perhaps ship it out? am waiting!!!
 
Old Mar 13, 2009 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Barrister
This is an interesting question. If the buyers were "bona fide" - meaning that they had no knowledge of the scam, then they are safe. But, as you say, it is not reasonable to beleive that they didn't know something was up when they were purchasing a car for 10% of what it is worth. If they are not bonda fide purchasers, then they could definitely be charged criminally or be forced to either give up the car or pay the difference between what they gave and fair market value.

The trouble with such a case is proving the buyer's state of mind. I have a feeling that the first thing the government did was round up some of the customers that got "too good to be true" deals and had them ready to testify against Vik in exchange for immunity. That's what I would have done.
Keep in mind there was a great deal of risk in purchasing these cars. Some have been repossessed. Obviously, it will all be handled in court. Last I read there was a list of all the VINs and Lambo had refused to perform warranty work on them.
 
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Originally Posted by Tsar
Seems like I'm the only one who doesn't feel bad for this man. I hate thieves.
I'm with you on this one.
 
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Originally Posted by Russ
Keep in mind there was a great deal of risk in purchasing these cars. Some have been repossessed. Obviously, it will all be handled in court. Last I read there was a list of all the VINs and Lambo had refused to perform warranty work on them.
I read an update to this (don't remember where). I don't think any cars have been repo'd. VW tried to put a hold on registering them but it was only good for 30 days. Since then most of the cars have been registered by the new owners and they are off scott free
 
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Originally Posted by HBdirtbag
I read an update to this (don't remember where). I don't think any cars have been repo'd. VW tried to put a hold on registering them but it was only good for 30 days. Since then most of the cars have been registered by the new owners and they are off scott free
i find that hard to believe
 

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