The Steve on Google's motto.
Feb 1, 2010 | 10:48 AM
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The Steve on Google's motto.
If anyone's still in the dark as to why we love Steve Jobs, look no further.
Jobs, characteristically, did not mince words as he spoke to the assembled, according to a person who was there who could not be named because this person is not authorized by Apple to speak with the press.
On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars.
About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars.
About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
Feb 1, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Why does him talking down to "competition" (questionable at that) make him a hero?
I respect Adobe, and my feelings toward google are somewhat neutral at this point.
I'm beginning to think that Jobs is under the impression that he is the voice of God.
To be fair though to you though Simba, I probably appreciate Adobe's products as much as you do Apple's... so I will admit that I may be a bit biased.
I respect Adobe, and my feelings toward google are somewhat neutral at this point.
I'm beginning to think that Jobs is under the impression that he is the voice of God.
To be fair though to you though Simba, I probably appreciate Adobe's products as much as you do Apple's... so I will admit that I may be a bit biased.
Feb 1, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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He's not afraid to speak his mind, which is exceedingly rare in corporate America today.
Feb 1, 2010 | 10:58 AM
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Just as long as he's portraying an image of having a backbone, not just arrogance.
Feb 1, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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Maybe I'm completely blind to something obvious, but what examples have been made of Adobe not being proactive and evolving? Individual product wise, maybe something hasn't developed as quickly as it could have, but those are the growing pains of operating a large company built off of acquiring smaller companies. Every time that happens production gets halted, hiring freezes happen, accounting needs to be changed over. It could just be an issue of mediocre migration management.
Feb 1, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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Maybe I'm completely blind to something obvious, but what examples have been made of Adobe not being proactive and evolving? Individual product wise, maybe something hasn't developed as quickly as it could have, but those are the growing pains of operating a large company built off of acquiring smaller companies. Every time that happens production gets halted, hiring freezes happen, accounting needs to be changed over. It could just be an issue of mediocre migration management.
Flash, much like he said, is the most horried piece of junk you will ever find - not only is it completely nonsensical to use (And yes, I can program AS) and compiles insanely heavy files - but running several Flash movies simultaneously, like you would say, on a website with ads, hogs unbelievable amounts of power and bandwidth. And it crashes. All-the-freaking-time.
Then again, they didn't even invent that. Macromedia did.
Acrobat, or Reader, or whatever they want to call it next when it's caught even more badwill? The single most dangerous application you could ever use. EVER. And I don't think anyone in the world uses it for anything other than opening PDF files, reading them and maybe printing them. The Preview app in OS X is heaven in comparison.
InDesign? Don't get me started on how it corrupts fonts like they are a bunch of cheap Czech hookers. You wake up one morning and find you have 23 versions of the same Helvetica, none of which seems to be working.
Dreamweaver? Dirty code all over the place.
Illustrator? Please. Why can't the various departments who make all these graphic design apps at Adobe, I dunno, occasionally talk to eachother or something? Have they even met? If they have, I am curious why identical tools throughout their entire lineup works different in each app.
Feb 1, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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Good points, sounds to me like a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing...
Also, photoshop isn't completely their product either, because when they acquired Macromedia they go their design product called Picture Publisher (which is what I started on).
My biggest problem with Adobe is their update process... For example, applying patches to Acrobat and rebooting every time, for each additional patch. Or downloading Acrobat Reader and immediately having updates to install.
I still don't think Adobe is necessarily in the wrong with how things have turned out, it's just that Apple is a shiny example of product interaction and streamlining. I don't know if anyone puts as much manpower into R&D as Apple does, but who's to say that gives them the right to talk down to other companies.
In the worst case scenario I would use Sprint as an example of a company who has their heads up their asses. So much marketing and advertisement but zero effort put into customer service. They've had endless opportunities to make good out of their potential, but they just focus on bringing in new business. They've had cell networks with potential to stream videos since early 2000 which still never took off. Now they are partnered with Clear Internet using 4g WiMax technology, which had great potential but once again it's being marketed wrong which have scared off other partnerships to the competition- 3GPP.
There are good and bad examples of how business is run but I still consider both Adobe and Google to be the better examples. When it comes down to brass tacks, at least they treat their employees very well.
Also, photoshop isn't completely their product either, because when they acquired Macromedia they go their design product called Picture Publisher (which is what I started on).
My biggest problem with Adobe is their update process... For example, applying patches to Acrobat and rebooting every time, for each additional patch. Or downloading Acrobat Reader and immediately having updates to install.
I still don't think Adobe is necessarily in the wrong with how things have turned out, it's just that Apple is a shiny example of product interaction and streamlining. I don't know if anyone puts as much manpower into R&D as Apple does, but who's to say that gives them the right to talk down to other companies.
In the worst case scenario I would use Sprint as an example of a company who has their heads up their asses. So much marketing and advertisement but zero effort put into customer service. They've had endless opportunities to make good out of their potential, but they just focus on bringing in new business. They've had cell networks with potential to stream videos since early 2000 which still never took off. Now they are partnered with Clear Internet using 4g WiMax technology, which had great potential but once again it's being marketed wrong which have scared off other partnerships to the competition- 3GPP.
There are good and bad examples of how business is run but I still consider both Adobe and Google to be the better examples. When it comes down to brass tacks, at least they treat their employees very well.
