Notices
991 | 997 | 996 General Porsche Water Cooled 911 Discussion Forum.

Carrera vs. Carrera 4: What's The Point?

Old Oct 12, 2012 | 03:15 PM
  #1  
WSC's Avatar
WSC
Thread Starter
|
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 91
From: New York, NY
WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!WSC You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!
Carrera vs. Carrera 4: What's The Point?

Honest question, one that's been bugging me for a long time. What's the point of the Carrera 4 anymore?

Back when the all-wheel-drive Carrera came out, it made sense: it helped bring the 911's traditionally finicky handling under control. It added traction, made for better acceleration, and improved the car's ability to drive in bad weather. These days, however, other technical improvements seem to have pretty much rendered all those factors moot. Thanks to traction control, ESP, launch control and the other bazillion computerized systems that make up the 911's brain, the current Carrera accelerates from 0-60 just as quickly as the Carrera 4. The tricky handling that was a 911 hallmark has been pretty much brought into line by decades of chassis and suspension development. And modern-day winter tires do as much, if not more, to help RWD cars deal with ice, rain and snow as AWD does.

So why buy the Carrera 4 or 4S anymore? Or, let me be more specific: as someone who lives in New York City but frequently drives into upstate New York, Massachusetts and Vermont at all times of year, does it make any sense to spring for the AWD Carrera, or should I just go for a RWD Carrera and buy some good snow tires for the winter?
 
Old Oct 12, 2012 | 03:50 PM
  #2  
Sechsgang's Avatar
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 917
From: Philadelphia Area
Sechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond reputeSechsgang has a reputation beyond repute
The 4 is just nice to have for the NE weather quite frankly. The extra grip is nice, and the extra feeling of stability when the conditions arent great is just nice. If anything, more and more people are shifting to the 4wd variants even when they dont need to. IMHO, I like them too! If you want a true dynamic experience...well, thats what the GT cars are for!
 
Old Oct 12, 2012 | 05:00 PM
  #3  
997carrerasblk06's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 3,559
From: New England
997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute997carrerasblk06 has a reputation beyond repute
widebody look, awd.....again what is this up here for? If you have never owned a porsche then you will never understand. This statement is not meant to be offensive but informative.
 
Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:25 PM
  #4  
djantlive's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,277
From: SFBA
djantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond reputedjantlive has a reputation beyond repute
Besides what has been said, awd yields better weight distribution, something all 911 struggles with.
 
Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:29 PM
  #5  
Brobbins016's Avatar
I need pos rep like Hulkamania NOW!
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,348
From: Madison Wisconsin
Brobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond reputeBrobbins016 has a reputation beyond repute
Agrees with all three above.
 
Old Oct 13, 2012 | 07:08 AM
  #6  
Porschephile88's Avatar
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 71
From: Kuwait City, Kuwait
Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!Porschephile88 You are a Teamspeed member that Rocks and Rolls!
All of the above, but one more thing: never underestimate the power of visual appeal/brand power with customers obsessed with looks and status.

I see a truckload of Carrera 4/4S models sold here simply because they "look" more expensive than a regular Carrera; people are extremely willing to pay a pretty penny if they're image-driven. That's not to say that the Carrera 4 models are designed for show because they are genuinely well-engineered machines, but sometimes the choice between a Carrera S and 4S comes down to something as spurious as "it looks better."

Porschephile88
 
Old Oct 13, 2012 | 06:03 PM
  #7  
Tzimtzum's Avatar
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 39
Tzimtzum is infamous around these partsTzimtzum is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by djantlive
Besides what has been said, awd yields better weight distribution, something all 911 struggles with.
That's always been true, and you raise a good point. The 991 almost eliminates that issue now, however. For almost all intents and purposes, it feels like a true-blue RMR now. The balance is epic. Turn off TC and it's completely manageable, even predictable, while still leaving the driver smiling from ear-to-ear. If I lived in the frozen North, I'd look into a 4S for practical reasons, but otherwise I'd think that getting one would drain the remaining fun out of the platform.
 
Old Oct 13, 2012 | 08:43 PM
  #8  
81911's Avatar
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 758
From: Charlotte
81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of81911 has much to be proud of
And snow tires will never replace AWD or 4WD
 
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 01:32 PM
  #9  
pnoble's Avatar
Teamspeed Rookie
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 1
pnoble is an unknown quantity at this point
I live in NJ and drive my 911, 365. My first was a 2S 997, followed by a 4S 997 FL. I have a 4S 991 on order.

My experience: the 997 2S was squirrelly in the snow and I prefer the feel of the 4S at all times, personally.

I certainly wouldn't have held out for the 4S for another year otherwise.
 
Old Oct 17, 2012 | 10:35 AM
  #10  
grant's Avatar
Teamspeed Junior Member
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 40
From: Denver, CO
grant is on a distinguished roadgrant is on a distinguished roadgrant is on a distinguished roadgrant is on a distinguished roadgrant is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by djantlive
Besides what has been said, awd yields better weight distribution, something all 911 struggles with.
Adding more weight is a horrible way to arrive at better weight distriution. I'd much prefer less weight if given the choice.
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:24 PM.