Notices
991 | 997 | 996 General Porsche Water Cooled 911 Discussion Forum.

First Ride: 2012 Porsche 911 by Inside Line

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:06 AM
  #1  
DJ's Avatar
DJ
Thread Starter
|
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,554
From: Zoo York
DJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond repute
Post First Ride: 2012 Porsche 911 by Inside Line



First Ride: 2012 Porsche 911 by Inside Line

Inside Line gets a close up with the All-New 911
Know anyone who seriously thinks the current 911 needs replacing? Probably not. But Porsche thinks otherwise. The 2012 Porsche 911 will be replaced later this year by a car that's as new as its looks are familiar.

It might look nearly identical to the old 997 series, but almost everything about the new 991 series 911 has changed, including the philosophy behind the car itself.

We will know a lot more when we actually drive the car later in the year, but for now, after a day riding shotgun in the new 911 through the mountains of South Africa, it is safe to conclude that this is a 911 like no other we have seen to date.

What Has Porsche Done This Time?

The answer is to start again. You can argue that the changes that turn the 997 into the 991 are just as comprehensive and significant as those that ended the reign of the 993 in 1998. Sure, there is nothing quite so culturally shocking as the abandonment of air cooling for water radiators, but the overall transformation into the 991 is at least as significant.

Perhaps most fundamental is the way the new car is made. Roland Achleitner, the man in charge of reinventing the 911 says, "I am neither an aluminum nor a steel man — I am a correct materials man."

His philosophy explains not only why the bulk of the 991 is now aluminum for lightness where once it was steel, but also why ultrahigh-strength steel has been retained for use in the major crash paths, particularly in the route over the A-pillars and around the passenger safety cell. Had it been built like the 997 the car would now be a minimum of 120 pounds heavier; in fact, it is lighter by a small but still significant (and undisclosed) amount.

The next big change involves the wheelbase. Since its launch in 1963, the 911's short wheelbase has been a defining characteristic of the car much like the flat-6 engine in the trunk.

But now, and for only the fourth time in 48 years, that wheelbase has been extended. By how much we can't say, as our access to the car was made on the condition that we would keep certain details under wraps. We can say that the extra space between the wheels does more than merely provide more legroom in the back; it fundamentally affects the character of the car.

Drivetrain Remains Familiar

The engines are probably the least altered part of the car, but only because the direct-injection flat-6 (unrelated to all previous 911 engines) has only been in production since 2009. Even so, the 3.8-liter engine used in the "S" model gets a useful power gain to 400 horsepower, while the standard motor actually shrinks in size to 3.4 liters but offers 350 hp, 5 more than the old 3.6.

Porsche won't give 0-60-mph times yet, so we'll guess. Figure the base car will get there in around 4.6 seconds and the S in 4.3 seconds, an improvement of 0.1 and 0.2 second respectively. Directing this power to the rear wheels alone (though all-wheel drive is naturally in the pipeline) is Porsche's familiar PDK seven-speed gearbox. Nothing too surprising here, you might think.

That is until we realize that one of the cars charging east from South Africa's Atlantic coast toward the Indian Ocean has a manual version of this transmission. And if you thought a stick-shift PDK was a contradiction in terms, you are not alone. But there it was, complete with three pedals and seven speeds. Porsche hasn't actually said it's going to use this gearbox in production cars, nor did it talk about any alternative, so read into that what you will.

Electric Steering Invades the 911

Not content with changing the way the 911 is built or extending its wheelbase, Porsche has not been afraid to meddle with the 911's most precious possession, one even more key to the car's character than its flat-6 engine. It has replaced the hydraulic power steering used by every 911 since assistance was introduced in 1989, with an electric system.

If this sounds like a minor, backstage detail, it's not. We have yet to drive a car that's been improved by electric steering, and driven plenty that have been ruined by it.

Moreover, Achleitner freely admits that the steering of a 911 is "the most important thing to get right." He says that he spoke to a huge number of suppliers and that ZF got the job because its system is so good, "you would not be able to tell it is electric."

For the full article and awesome images follow to Inside Line here:
First Ride: 2012 Porsche 911









 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:14 AM
  #2  
TeutonicCarFan's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,320
TeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond repute
Hmm not a big fan thus far. I don't like what he has said about the car being bigger and how it has noticeably changed the way it is. To me the size being small is key. Also the steering change may be problematic as well. It seems like they are turning this into a GT car? I know Porsche knows what it's doing. And, there will always be 964s on the market...
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:15 AM
  #3  
DJ's Avatar
DJ
Thread Starter
|
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,554
From: Zoo York
DJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond repute
Almost 15,000 KM on this test car! Can't wait till this camo starts shedding!
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:35 AM
  #4  
PMac's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,666
From: Austin, TX
PMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond reputePMac has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by TeutonicCarFan
It seems like they are turning this into a GT car?
Realistically, the only 911 that isn't a GT car is the one with GT in its name. If you want the spiritual successor to the 'real' 911, you get a GT3/GT2. If you get anything else, from a base Carrera all the way to a Turbo, you're wanting a great everyday road car that does well in the twisties.

That's not a slight on the regular 911 - Porsche's intent was never to build a racer for the street (well, Carrera GT notwithstanding), but to build 'all-around superior transportation devices'. The changes in the 991 would seem to support that. As long as they give us a lairy beast from time to time, and resist the urge to add weight whenever they add power, it's all good. I really don't know another manufacturer that can manage that balance so well on a car that costs less than $200k.
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:44 AM
  #5  
sean73T's Avatar
Avatarless
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 2,775
From: Malibu, CA
sean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond reputesean73T has a reputation beyond repute
The car will come out and everyone will love it. The increase in size will not be felt due to the decrease of the weight. And the increase in size really is not that big at all. It will still be a small car compared to most.
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:55 AM
  #6  
DJ's Avatar
DJ
Thread Starter
|
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,554
From: Zoo York
DJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond repute
New wheel design maybe?

 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 12:41 PM
  #7  
Carrera's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,454
From: Pennsylvania
Carrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond reputeCarrera has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by sean73T
The car will come out and everyone will love it. The increase in size will not be felt due to the decrease of the weight. And the increase in size really is not that big at all. It will still be a small car compared to most.
Exactly, it still is a small car. And I think everyone forgets, that since the first 911 came out, it was intended to be a GT car, and still is. They're just updating it to modern GT needs, though it's also a pure sportscar. I was just reading some things from when the 997 came out, and everyone was saying all the same things. They were like, wow, it's big and ugly, way too luxurious, and variable steering is going to ruin the feel. Now the 997 is the most successful 911 ever. I think people need to calm down, even Porsche said themselves, the biggest mistake they can make is to take away sportiness from the 991. They also said their goal with the 991 was to make it more usable, yet even sporty. There's nothing to worry about. .. I really like the higher revving engine.
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:18 PM
  #8  
Chris from Cali's Avatar
Watch this space.
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,211
Chris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond reputeChris from Cali has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by PMac
Realistically, the only 911 that isn't a GT car is the one with GT in its name. If you want the spiritual successor to the 'real' 911, you get a GT3/GT2. If you get anything else, from a base Carrera all the way to a Turbo, you're wanting a great everyday road car that does well in the twisties.

That's not a slight on the regular 911 - Porsche's intent was never to build a racer for the street (well, Carrera GT notwithstanding), but to build 'all-around superior transportation devices'. The changes in the 991 would seem to support that. As long as they give us a lairy beast from time to time, and resist the urge to add weight whenever they add power, it's all good. I really don't know another manufacturer that can manage that balance so well on a car that costs less than $200k.
The problem is that the GT3 is a $130K car. Porsche should apply the "less is more" paradigm to the base Carrera as well. Keep it simple, light, less pricey. People like me don't want 9,000,000 doodads in a sports car. In my uber-sedan, yes. In my weekend corner carver, no.
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:29 PM
  #9  
Ag Surfer's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,311
From: The OC
Ag Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond reputeAg Surfer has a reputation beyond repute
This thing will sell like hotcakes.
 
Old Jun 30, 2011 | 01:45 PM
  #10  
TeutonicCarFan's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,320
TeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond reputeTeutonicCarFan has a reputation beyond repute
I think it is hard to call a porsche pre-997 a GT car. I mean, just like any car classification (e.g., sports car, exotic, etc), there is some consternation on what the definition actually implies. To me, the 911 is a small, no nonsense, fun driver. A GT car, IMO, is along the lines of a v8 vantage, m6, XKR, SL55 AMG, etc. I cannot see the 911 fitting in with these cars. Anyone who has driven a 911, sort of tough to get in and out, sitting on the road, cramped interior, knows how vastly different it is from the wide swinging open door in the m6, the luxurious, roomy cabin. Having driven all the above (note: v8 vantage only sat in), there is a marked difference in what these vehicles accomplish. The porsche DNA is built on these principles. I am not being melodramatic and trying to say this will be terrible, they will make a fantastic car. Moreover most people who buy these don't really care how it falls in line with a 930. Sales will explode and the stats will be great. I merely voice my opinion as someone who realistically has 10 years until buying a Pcar, and realize that this change now means that the next iteration will be further from my idealized 911. I love the old cabin with no center console and just the gear shifter on the ground and the clean dash with a few guages. Like DJ said, this looks like the 928 interior having the console extend around the driver and to the back. All in all, I can't wait to see these unveiled and drive one - but my heart will lie with the oldies.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
DJ
Aston Martin | Jaguar | Lotus
4
Aug 10, 2012 11:10 AM
DJ
Aventador | Huracán | Murcielago | Gallardo
12
May 4, 2011 11:47 AM
DJ
Boxster | Cayman
0
Mar 5, 2011 07:01 PM
DJ
Japanese Speed
5
Feb 6, 2011 02:33 PM
DJ
Maserati | Alfa Romeo | General Italian
0
Jan 29, 2011 12:00 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:52 PM.