Lessons learned: never 'stock' again?!
#1
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Before modifying my 997.1 Turbo I really hated the idea of invalidating my car's factory warranty by modifying. However, after my mods I have realized just how inflexible the stock Turbo is (eg. can't change ride heights to counter natural sagging, can't order sports suspension or exhaust options from factory, etc etc) that now I don't think I could live with another 'stock' sports car again.
The handling (even on public roads) is night and day between a stock car that's had it's suspension sagging for 10k miles (thus changing rake and thereby weight distribution and aerodynamics as it does so) with geometry set by the factory or OPC (with their large +/- ranges for each wheel), and a car that's had upgraded suspension parts to allow for precise changes in castor/camber/toe/ride-height/rake/etc.
The thought of replacing my modified 997.1 Turbo with a stock 997.2 Turbo makes me frankly nauseous at what I would be giving up - knowing what I know now. I would be losing my mind thinking that each mile I drive the suspension is sagging more and more and there was nothing I could do about it. Perhaps going the GT3 route where everything is adjustable would be the only direction for me now; but I am not a track junkie and I love having Turbo power and 4wd.
So even when the 991 Turbo comes out, unless it has fully adjustable suspension (very unlikely) and wheel/sports-suspension/exhaust options from the factory, as much as I crave latest tech I just don't think I will be able to bring myself to buy one.
I suppose I could try modifying again with a 991 Turbo but as much fun as I had with my 997.1 Turbo I don't think I would want to spend that kind of time and money again fixing things that I believe should be delivered from the factory. Plus with after-market powerkits with the new engine/PDK are going to either be very risky or cost a fortune to strengthen components to reduce that risk. So I am not sure I will have the same confidence to go down that route. Maybe a 991 Turbo with just upgraded suspension would be the best solution...
Anyone else reached the same conclusions??
The handling (even on public roads) is night and day between a stock car that's had it's suspension sagging for 10k miles (thus changing rake and thereby weight distribution and aerodynamics as it does so) with geometry set by the factory or OPC (with their large +/- ranges for each wheel), and a car that's had upgraded suspension parts to allow for precise changes in castor/camber/toe/ride-height/rake/etc.
The thought of replacing my modified 997.1 Turbo with a stock 997.2 Turbo makes me frankly nauseous at what I would be giving up - knowing what I know now. I would be losing my mind thinking that each mile I drive the suspension is sagging more and more and there was nothing I could do about it. Perhaps going the GT3 route where everything is adjustable would be the only direction for me now; but I am not a track junkie and I love having Turbo power and 4wd.
So even when the 991 Turbo comes out, unless it has fully adjustable suspension (very unlikely) and wheel/sports-suspension/exhaust options from the factory, as much as I crave latest tech I just don't think I will be able to bring myself to buy one.
I suppose I could try modifying again with a 991 Turbo but as much fun as I had with my 997.1 Turbo I don't think I would want to spend that kind of time and money again fixing things that I believe should be delivered from the factory. Plus with after-market powerkits with the new engine/PDK are going to either be very risky or cost a fortune to strengthen components to reduce that risk. So I am not sure I will have the same confidence to go down that route. Maybe a 991 Turbo with just upgraded suspension would be the best solution...
Anyone else reached the same conclusions??
#3
Yeah, it is a lot of money you have to invest and the time it takes to get all the parts and get them installed. But I also drive about 30K miles a year, spread across mostly two cars. So sooner or later I have to buy a new car anyway. I have not driven a 997.2tt but from all accounts I can read it is a lot better. If all I have to take care off is the suspension than that is an easy $5-6K and done. Exhaust even on the videos on the web sounds much throatier than on the 997.1. It may not sound like a real after market but it looks to be a titanium Akrapovic, even if not the same as the after market one, you will be hard pressed to get a lighter and better performing exhaust on there.
#6
The only problem with modifications is that you never recouperate your investment.
I have heavily modded all of my cars (except my Ferrari) and have had to choke down major losses when I sell or trade them.
But on the other hand, they are awesome while you have them!
I have heavily modded all of my cars (except my Ferrari) and have had to choke down major losses when I sell or trade them.
But on the other hand, they are awesome while you have them!
#7
Alex you've had so much fun modding your .1, I can't even imagine you without it. If your contemplating getting a .2 or the 991; from what I've read of your posts, I would have to say, "Not just yet". Drive yours into the ground, have fun with it as you have and just keep going. I've read most of your posts during your upgrades; maybe keep your current .1 and add a .2 or 991 later? Just keep this one. K, done with my ramble...
#9
Thanks for your thoughts guys. Now I am on the precipice of becoming a father, I think supercars will be taking a back-seat for a while. So keeping my Turbo long term and then probably renewing my Audi each time a new RS6 Avant comes out, seems like the best option for me.
Buying new gas-guggling (read: most sports) cars here in the UK though is about to become very expensive. The road taxes for such cars are about to go over £1000 per year! Anything over 255g/km CO2 is going to get taxed to death so much so that I think people are going to stop buying them all together.
Buying new gas-guggling (read: most sports) cars here in the UK though is about to become very expensive. The road taxes for such cars are about to go over £1000 per year! Anything over 255g/km CO2 is going to get taxed to death so much so that I think people are going to stop buying them all together.
Last edited by Alex_997TurboRSC; 01-17-2010 at 09:27 AM.