Notices
458 | 430 | 360 Ferrari 458 Italia, F430/360, Scuderia/Stradale, Discussion Forum.

Ferrari Enzo Successor Mule Spotted for First Time

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 08:53 AM
  #1  
DJ's Avatar
DJ
Thread Starter
|
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 31,554
From: Zoo York
DJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond reputeDJ has a reputation beyond repute
Post Ferrari Enzo Successor Mule Spotted for First Time





Our intuitive spies from Carpix have caught what is believed to be the first shots of a mule for the successor to the all conquering Ferrari Enzo. It is wearing the body of the F430 Scuderia and had it not been for the shabby looks it may well have gone unnoticed.

The first thing that caught our eye on this model was the huge centrally mounted exhaust pipe that sits neatly at the bottom of the rear end. Judging by the incredible sound coming from this model, is is obvious the regular twin exhausts of the 430 Scuderia are completely unused. The wheelbase also look unusually long which further add to our suspicions.

The project is currently known as FX70 internally at Ferrari and they are still undecided as to what powertrain to employ under the bodywork. The first option would be to continue in the tradition of the first Enzo and pack a powerful V12 engine in, however the Prancing horse may look to downsize to a Twin-turbo V8. The latter of the two would see a power figure of between 50hp and 100hp lower than its larger alternative, but the weight saving advantages could see the performance maintained.

Some say the new Enzo could arrive as soon as 2010, but considering the test vehicles haven't made it past mule form yet, this seems unlikely. We will probably see it in either 2011 or 2012 with a price tag of at least $500,000 and a production run of around 300 vehicles.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:17 AM
  #2  
tractorcrusher's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,659
From: Plano, TX
tractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond reputetractorcrusher has a reputation beyond repute
That's interesting... the rear wheel looks huge.

I don't see how the successor could cost 1/2 of what the original Enzo was.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:31 AM
  #3  
Chris G's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,034
From: Tampa / Naples, FL
Chris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond reputeChris G has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by tractorcrusher
That's interesting... the rear wheel looks huge.

I don't see how the successor could cost 1/2 of what the original Enzo was.
+1 I agree. Should be interesting.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:01 PM
  #4  
McCoy's Avatar
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 651
From: New York
McCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by tractorcrusher
That's interesting... the rear wheel looks huge.

I don't see how the successor could cost 1/2 of what the original Enzo was.
The proportions look absurd enough to have me do a double take, wondering if I was looking at Photoshopped images.

The Enzo, new, didn't cost a million; it was between $600-$700K, usually around $670,000. But I agree with you, and can't see how the Enzo successor would cost less than the Enzo.

Lastly, the Enzo mule was an elongated 348 - into which they shoehorned that huge V12. So if the chassis on this "430" is lengthened, there's a good chance it's hosting a 12 and not a TT 8.

Great stuff, DJ, thanks for the post. I've got an "in" who is close to the factory. He told me we wouldn't see the Enzo successor for a while - until at least 2010. But it's nice to see that R&D has already began.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:07 PM
  #5  
Zorro's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,871
From: Montreal, CA
Zorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond repute
With an Enzo msrp around 650, I can't see how they wouldn't hike it up to 8-900k. After all ... Bugatti is selling Veyron at 1.4MM+, Reventons sold like hotcakes at 1.2M (?), Aston Martin is planning a 2.3M (!!) car ... I really see no reason for Ferrari to price down its supercars.

I kinda hope it packs a V12, but the last V8 TT Ferrari supercar was the almighty F40, and it arguably the best of the bunch, thanks to its engine.

Curious to see how it looks though, haven't been a fan of Ferrari designs lately.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:10 PM
  #6  
McCoy's Avatar
Teamspeed Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 651
From: New York
McCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond reputeMcCoy has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Zorro
Curious to see how it looks though, haven't been a fan of Ferrari designs lately.
This is a widespread feeling. I'm interested to know, in the last 20 years, which Ferrari designs you like and dislike. I like all of them, but I'm biased.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 02:05 PM
  #7  
daedalus's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,118
From: Omaha, NE
daedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond reputedaedalus has a reputation beyond repute
wow... i didn't even realize that there was a new one being developed. Thanks for the post DJ!
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 03:05 PM
  #8  
Dave S's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,002
From: Voiding the warranty
Dave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond reputeDave S has a reputation beyond repute
..or it could be a Fiero underneath.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 04:14 PM
  #9  
Zorro's Avatar
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,871
From: Montreal, CA
Zorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond reputeZorro has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by McCoy
This is a widespread feeling. I'm interested to know, in the last 20 years, which Ferrari designs you like and dislike. I like all of them, but I'm biased.
The last Ferrari design I loved unconditionally was the F40.

F50 looks grat overall with the top on, but some details bug me, like the hump on the hood.

Enzo has too much going on. MC12 looks eleventy times better IMO.


348 looks good, but outdated.

355 still looks as good as day one.

360 and 430 (even Scuderia) don't do much for me, never did. Challenge Stradale I like, though.

California doesn't look like a Ferrari to me. It's just some random car.


The Testarossa isn't necesserily beautiful, but it has character, and that's why I like it. It's not yet another "let's blend in" Ferrari. 512 TR is (lookswise) my favourite of the Testarossa/512TR/512M trio.

I thought the 456 and 550/575 looked ok when they first came out, and I adore them right now. They have aged so well.

612, hated it in pictures, still do, but I can't deny it has quite a presence on the street. Huge car.

599 ... meh. Too much stuff going on. Looks like a japanese Manga cartoon thing.

Rankings?
1 - F40
2 - 575
3 - 456 on modern 575 or Novitec rims
4 - 512 TR
5 - 355
 
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 04:51 PM
  #10  
ss7's Avatar
ss7
Teamspeed Pro
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,866
From: TO
ss7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond reputess7 has a reputation beyond repute
Couple of rear shots
 
Attached Images   



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:11 PM.