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Blue4reF1 06-06-2012 06:25 PM

New Ferrari F70 Photos!
 
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Spied Again: Ferrari Enzo Successor Test Mule

Found these spy Shots from Greg23 on fchat!

As Teamspeed reported a few months ago - Ferrari has been extremely tight-lipped regarding the successor to the legendary Ferrari Enzo, but as luck would have it our spies have caught this test mule out and about. Our sources tell us that this is not the real prototype but just a rolling test bed for key components, but never the less we're excited.

Key highlights are the flat front nose and rising rear wings which resemble the 458's, however, the vehicle is much wider. Just like a true test mule, the vehicle is sporting makeshift light assemblies and perhaps many other components donated by other Ferrari models. However, if does appear that this test mule is a stretched and widened 458 with a horrific amount of camouflage.

Ferrari CEO Amedeo Felisa revealed to British magazine Autocar at the 2012 Beijing show that his firm had to adopt hybrid technology as it is “the only way to meet CO2 emissions regulations, we can’t do it simply with weight reduction”.

The HY-KERS system will make the new Enzo the cleanest and fastest Ferrari in the range. Total power is likely to be near 1000bhp.

"Compensating for the weight of the system was the hardest challenge", according to Felisa, but the Italian maker has managed to retain "the necessary centre of gravity and weight balance".

The Kerb weight will be similar to the track-only Ferrari FXX with a figure of around 1157 kg. It will be achieved with the lightweight carbon fiber body while the chassis will be dominated by aluminum.

Codenamed the F70, the new super car has specs that should easily allow it to surpass the performance of its predecessor and engineers are reportedly aiming to exceed the all conquering Bugatti Veyron. This means we could expect to see a 0-100 km/h time of less than 2.5 seconds and perhaps a top speed in excess of 408 km/h. Rumors suggest the F70 will be shown to select Ferrari clients later this year before a full public debut is conducted in Geneva in March 2013.

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Old pic below with heavy camo to compare!

https://teamspeed.com/forums/attachm...5&d=1334753168

gmaccormack 06-06-2012 06:41 PM

Looks insane.

La Artist 06-06-2012 08:00 PM

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/240...rarif15001.jpg
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jayb289 06-06-2012 08:21 PM

oh my!

GreenLantern 06-06-2012 09:16 PM

Wow. Cannot wait for this to be unveiled. Pebble Beach, perhaps?

RugRunner 06-06-2012 09:23 PM

Looks like a stunningly beautiful Ferrari with just a touch of Lamborghini added to the mix.

Darksider 06-06-2012 09:27 PM

So much better than that crap Quattroroute tried to pass off as the new Enzo!

VKING 06-06-2012 09:34 PM

Looks insane! Need more pics!

slord 06-06-2012 11:48 PM

Want it.

Senna1994 06-07-2012 12:01 AM

I don't know why they keep saying that Aluminum will dominate the chassis, as the Enzo was a Carbon Tub, and the new Car will surely be one. Felisa has gone on record many times and said the Supercars will be Carbon cars, why this bogus about Aluminum? The only way to hit the 1200KGS bogey is an all Carbon Car, however, I still don't see this happening in dry weight. The Enzo did not hit it, even with the Crash Standards of the day.

Amzamus 06-07-2012 04:35 AM

Finally a test mule that is based on the final car. Looks very long. Thanks a lot for sharing.

JustMe 06-07-2012 04:53 AM

A big car journalist in The Netherlands just posted this on Twitter:

Gehoord van Ferraririjder die nieuwe Enzo heeft besteld, en aanbetaald. Zou het dus moeten weten; auto krijgt max 1000 pk, 4WD en biturbo

"Just heard from a Ferrari driver thad ordered the new Enzo, and made a payment, that the new enzo gets max 1000hp, 4wd and a biturbo"

https://twitter.com/sjoerdvstokkum/s...35276572311552

Amzamus 06-07-2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern (Post 1331460)
Wow. Cannot wait for this to be unveiled. Pebble Beach, perhaps?

Taken from an official press release:

"At the end of the year, we'll also be unveiling the new Enzo, a limited series model and our first ever hybrid car." - Luca Cordero di Montezemolo

Probably at the Paris Motor Show.


Originally Posted by JustMe (Post 1331644)
"Just heard from a Ferrari driver thad ordered the new Enzo, and made a payment, that the new enzo gets max 1000hp, 4wd and a biturbo"

Just a rumor. The engine has been revealed a couple of months ago and it is an atmospheric hybrid V12 and RWD.

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A3aan 06-07-2012 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Amzamus (Post 1331645)
Taken from an official press release:

"At the end of the year, we'll also be unveiling the new Enzo, a limited series model and our first ever hybrid car." - Luca Cordero di Montezemolo

Probably at the Paris Motor Show.



Just a rumor. The engine has been revealed a couple of months ago and it is an atmospheric hybrid V12 and RWD.

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That was not the engine going in the F70 they showed, this was just to show the new HY-KERS system I believe?

Amzamus 06-07-2012 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by A3aan (Post 1331663)
That was not the engine going in the F70 they showed, this was just to show the new HY-KERS system I believe?

It can be that, but today Ferrari means atmospheric. Turbos? No please, at least not in the next 10 years. With the actual emission standards an atmospheric V12 with more than 800 hp is impossible for road use, for that reason in Maranello are thinking in hybrid systems. But the engine shown in Beijing was made for a mid-engined car. That engine is based on the one you can see in the F12, but it has a different intake manifold and some more modifications. This engine can deliver more than 800 hp, and with the KERS the total output could be arround 950 hp or even 1.000 hp.

EddieBarbie 06-07-2012 08:45 AM

Finally, the next legend is coming.

marchettino 06-07-2012 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Amzamus (Post 1331641)
Finally a test mule that is based on the final car. Looks very long. Thanks a lot for sharing.

That's not the final car, it's based on the Enzo and you can really notice it looks very similar, the final car will have a different look.

La Artist 06-07-2012 09:49 AM

No damn way it should be 4wd.. RWD ftw..

This new era of hypercars will be a epic battle as it was last time:

SLR
Zonda
CGT
EnZo
GT40

And we all know that the Zonda came out on top that time:)

This time :
918
F70
Huayra
Mclaren F1 successor
SLR successor

Hopefully Pagani will come out on top again:D

But i doubt it this time..last time all cars where all though advanced still conventional.. now we are talking KERS and Electric motors and what nots.. i do not think Pagani has the muscle to match that..
But who knows?, low weight and huge power seems to be the formula and Pagani does that very well :)

Exciting times to come.. especially if you got the dineros to buy one..:D

Amzamus 06-07-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by marchettino (Post 1331774)
That's not the final car, it's based on the Enzo and you can really notice it looks very similar, the final car will have a different look.

I has a lot of camo. The side windows are similar but different. Why are you going to create new windows and new doors for a mule that it's based on a previous car. It looks longer than an Enzo, and lower too. It's lower on the rear, notice the heigh of the car over the rear wheels. The front windshield is different. I don't want to doubt about you, but under that heavy camo everything is possible.

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997carrerasblk06 06-07-2012 10:02 AM

how much hp is the new pagani??? i mean it is a TT V12 after all.

STOPPIE 06-07-2012 10:27 AM

I just got tingly in my nether region....

HarveyMushman 06-07-2012 10:54 AM

I know there is a lot of camo, but it's amazing how many similarities this car has to the Glickenhaus p4/5.

Ogaleicrum 06-07-2012 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by marchettino (Post 1331774)
That's not the final car, it's based on the Enzo and you can really notice it looks very similar, the final car will have a different look.

If the final car looks anything like that I'll neg rep you til the end of time. Or when you post a shitty vid of the final thing.

Upload some photos of the final thing no one is gonna sue you.

gmaccormack 06-07-2012 12:00 PM

It's not based on the Enzo.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/att...1&d=1339030296
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/att...1&d=1339030330

La Artist 06-07-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by 997carrerasblk06 (Post 1331796)
how much hp is the new pagani??? i mean it is a TT V12 after all.

730hp for now..;)

Amzamus 06-07-2012 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by gmaccormack (Post 1331895)

Sorry, but those are 458 mules, the second one was confused with the F70 mule in 2008.

gmaccormack 06-07-2012 12:55 PM

You maybe right. Maybe...

U-Boat Commander 06-07-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by STOPPIE (Post 1331828)
I just got tingly in my nether region....

Stop looking at gay porn.

Amzamus 06-07-2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by U-Boat Commander (Post 1331943)
Stop looking at gay porn.

Congrats, this is your 10,000 post.

Edit: And one of the best statements I heard from you.

brabusk8 06-07-2012 01:19 PM

The article render looks a lot like the ferrari p4/5 by pininfarina

VKING 06-07-2012 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Amzamus (Post 1331952)
Congrats, this is your 10,000 post.

Edit: And one of the best statements I heard from you.

Some people will hit 10k twice!

Amzamus 06-07-2012 01:52 PM

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I can't find the author's name :D.

marchettino 06-07-2012 03:29 PM

And yes, it's certainly based on the Enzo, I have even seen last week in a workshop nearby the factory a naked Enzo with some missing components and the badge " Prototipo F140 " (F140 is the Enzo, but why was it there?), and technically this should be the only Enzo prototype alive:

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/u...-For-Sale1.jpg

Even the early 599 prototypes were based on the 612

http://files.autogespot.com/autogesp...7bef2d7c_1.jpg

And they did the very first FF mules based on the 612, same for the 458 with the F430 etc.. that's how it works, it doesn't make sense to show a part of the real look of the car many months before the unveiling, especially if we're talking about the successor of the Enzo.

Amzamus 06-07-2012 03:45 PM

Even with the caouflage lots of pieces are different, for example the windows. I can't find the reason of puting different windows if the car is based on the Enzo. The roof line is different, the front windshield too. Probably they are using the final monocoque chassis under a fake bodywork. I can't deny that the car can have some of the Enzo parts Behind that camouflage but it doesn't seems that if you look closely.

But we can answer some questions. Marco, please: Can you say to us if the front windshield an the side windows of the car you said that you have a picture of it are similar to the ones you can see in this prototype?

Edit: One more thing. The first car you have shown is the Enzo Prototype M3 and the second car is based on the 599, only the camouflage looks like a 612. You can see all the elements of the 599 on it (front grilles, hood outakes, front windshield, side windows, roof line...).

Alex12de 06-07-2012 03:56 PM

give us some info about it Marchetino! :D
how are the headlights? does it look like anything? is it something special?

Peloton25 06-09-2012 01:45 PM

If I can add some credibility for my friend Marchettino here - we had lunch together near the Pagani factory about a week ago and during that meeting he shared with me one of the photos of the F70's body. While not in finished form it was easy to see how the new Ferrari supercar will look. The lines are very organic without the hard edges we saw on the Enzo. I got the impression it will borrow many styling cues first seen on Jim Glickenhaus' Ferrari P4/5. One obvious cue seen in these spy photos is the reverse tear drop rear engine cover.

Just a thought here, but maybe this crowd of keyboard jockeys from around the world should take it a bit easier on a guy who has his feet on the ground in the heart of Italian supercar territory and has developed contacts and friends at many of those companies. Marco is a good guy - I'd stake my own reputation on defending his. :)

>8^)
ER

DJ 06-09-2012 01:51 PM

If Erik vouches that should be good enough for all !:-)

boy_wonder 06-09-2012 05:26 PM

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...82-626x382.jpg

Ferrari Enzo Replacement Design Finalized


The powers that be at Ferrari have finalized designs for the successor to the Enzo, which will make its debut by the end of the year. Although there have been a number of mules—we’ve managed to get our hands on spy photos of one Enzo-successor mule—undergoing testing for some time now, the super-dupercar’s final design was still in question.

As to the design decided on, we understand that traditional Ferrari collaborator Pininfarina had nothing to do with it. The result comes entirely from within the confines of Ferrari’s home in Maranello, led by renowned designer Flavio Manzoni. Could this be the beginning of the end of a long relationship with Pininfarina? We hope not, but we don’t run Maranello.

Think of the Millechili concept from 2010 and collector Jim Glickenhaus’s Enzo–based P4/5 and P4/5 Competizione and you get an idea of what to expect from the F70’s (what it’s being referred to internally) lines and shape. The new design of the all-carbon-fiber body and chassis mega-exotic is based on what is being called a “three arc” philosophy. That is, as seen in profile, the front arc is the tightest in diameter; the middle arc, with its greenhouse, is the largest; and the rear arc is somewhat larger than that in the front and extends rearward until it ends abruptly—a bit like the Pagani Zonda tail, if you will. This will place its two occupants within a forward-mounted, large glass cabin resting on carbon-fiber pillars, providing a nearly 360-degree view. We do know for sure that, like the Zonda, that abrupt rear fascia will be left open, or perhaps covered by just a screen.

Aerodynamics on the F70 is, of course, a rather large deal; the car will benefit from both active and passive body features. The centerpiece in active aero for the F70 is the large integrated-rear-wing. As to the abundant passive aero, designers have emphasized the three arcs as decisive forms, featuring precisely cut recessed-intakes and air-flow passages. The manner in which air is guided over and through the large and forward-mounted greenhouse is getting rave reviews inside Maranello; revolutionary is the word we’re hearing. Another clever aerodynamic detail is that the headlights and its surrounds are shaped in such a manner that they guide air past and through the normally obstructing front fascia.

The most important information on the new car—besides the all-carbon-fiber construction—is the estimated 920 hp from an all-new V-12 engine with “significant” cylinder capacity, and its hybrid scheme. Our informants tell us Ferrari very nearly decided on a turbocharged V-12, but then reverted back to the original plan of a mild-hybrid layout. The hybrid part of the scheme involves an aspect very similar to the KERS system used in Formula 1 to aid acceleration when needed. The commitment to such a system was ordered by technical guru Amedeo Felisa, principally because such an approach will render this Ferrari a surprisingly green supercar.

Weight-savings will play a large role in the expected efficiency gains. Whereas the Enzo weighed in at around 3300 pounds, the F70 is set to come in at around 2650 pounds—not far from the weight of the Enzo FXX. We’re keen to find out how much an FXX-ified F70 would weigh.

With the powertrain and now the design decided upon, we should start seeing fewer camouflaged mules and more camouflaged F70s. Oh, and as to the final name, we know that it will be neither Enzo nor F70.

Source: Car and Driver

jpmc 06-09-2012 07:01 PM

Bravo! Sounds like a winning formula to me.

Senna1994 06-12-2012 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by DJ (Post 1333474)
If Erik vouches that should be good enough for all !:-)

+1 Erik how did you like it?


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