McLaren P1 vs. the Nürburgring-Nordschleife
#63
01-19-2014, 06:20 PM
From the AutoCar piece that was published today:
The truth is out there, again.
>8^)
ER
According to the rumour mill that is the internet the number of 6min 47sec keeps cropping up. But according to a McLaren insider I spoke to who knows rather more about the P1's capabilities than any armchair expert ever could, the actual time is "a fair bit quicker than that." As in six minutes 30 something.
The truth is out there, again.
>8^)
ER
#64
01-22-2014, 09:53 AM
The embarrassing and comical saga with this so called "car jurno" Steve Sutcliffe continues with this childish explanation on his blog:
G I'm sorry
New21 hours 30 min ago
Regards the 5g cornering claim, its a long and not especially compelling story, culminating in this official response from McLaren, who just emailed me saying; "We have a slightly embarrassing confession to make, and admit that the information quoted is incorrect - this fact was take from details regarding our Formula 1 car, and not the P1. So these figures relate to the F1 car instead. Sorry for this confusion. For information, the P1 can withstand lateral forces of up to 2g when cornering and braking." I'm sorry, too, that I didnt spot this dear reader; I should have done. No excuse. And when I say that the P1 feels as quick as anything Ive ever driven including a Honda F1 car I am exaggerating, of course. Slightly. But not by much. The P1 is much, much faster than I was expecting it to be, basically, and maybe it has frazzled my judgment somewhat in the process! Kind regards Steve
Some conclusions:
1. Mclaren gave him the wrong piece of press release - very, very professional IMO
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2. SS wrote what he get without even reading it, haha;
3. exaggerating comparisons, but not much? How much is not much?
From the whole review at the end of the day, maybe the date is the only clear fact...
G I'm sorry
New21 hours 30 min ago
Regards the 5g cornering claim, its a long and not especially compelling story, culminating in this official response from McLaren, who just emailed me saying; "We have a slightly embarrassing confession to make, and admit that the information quoted is incorrect - this fact was take from details regarding our Formula 1 car, and not the P1. So these figures relate to the F1 car instead. Sorry for this confusion. For information, the P1 can withstand lateral forces of up to 2g when cornering and braking." I'm sorry, too, that I didnt spot this dear reader; I should have done. No excuse. And when I say that the P1 feels as quick as anything Ive ever driven including a Honda F1 car I am exaggerating, of course. Slightly. But not by much. The P1 is much, much faster than I was expecting it to be, basically, and maybe it has frazzled my judgment somewhat in the process! Kind regards Steve
Some conclusions:
1. Mclaren gave him the wrong piece of press release - very, very professional IMO
;2. SS wrote what he get without even reading it, haha;
3. exaggerating comparisons, but not much? How much is not much?
From the whole review at the end of the day, maybe the date is the only clear fact...
#65
01-22-2014, 11:21 AM
The embarrassing and comical saga with this so called "car jurno" Steve Sutcliffe continues with this childish explanation on his blog:
G I'm sorry
New21 hours 30 min ago
Regards the 5g cornering claim, it’s a long and not especially compelling story, culminating in this official response from McLaren, who just emailed me saying; "We have a slightly embarrassing confession to make, and admit that the information quoted is incorrect - this fact was take from details regarding our Formula 1 car, and not the P1. So these figures relate to the F1 car instead. Sorry for this confusion. For information, the P1 can withstand lateral forces of up to 2g when cornering and braking." I'm sorry, too, that I didn’t spot this dear reader; I should have done. No excuse. And when I say that the P1 feels “as quick as anything I’ve ever driven including a Honda F1 car” I am exaggerating, of course. Slightly. But not by much. The P1 is much, much faster than I was expecting it to be, basically, and maybe it has frazzled my judgment somewhat in the process! Kind regards Steve
Some conclusions:
1. Mclaren gave him the wrong piece of press release - very, very professional IMO;
2. SS wrote what he get without even reading it, haha;
3. exaggerating comparisons, but not much? How much is not much?
From the whole review at the end of the day, maybe the date is the only clear fact...
G I'm sorry
New21 hours 30 min ago
Regards the 5g cornering claim, it’s a long and not especially compelling story, culminating in this official response from McLaren, who just emailed me saying; "We have a slightly embarrassing confession to make, and admit that the information quoted is incorrect - this fact was take from details regarding our Formula 1 car, and not the P1. So these figures relate to the F1 car instead. Sorry for this confusion. For information, the P1 can withstand lateral forces of up to 2g when cornering and braking." I'm sorry, too, that I didn’t spot this dear reader; I should have done. No excuse. And when I say that the P1 feels “as quick as anything I’ve ever driven including a Honda F1 car” I am exaggerating, of course. Slightly. But not by much. The P1 is much, much faster than I was expecting it to be, basically, and maybe it has frazzled my judgment somewhat in the process! Kind regards Steve
Some conclusions:
1. Mclaren gave him the wrong piece of press release - very, very professional IMO
;2. SS wrote what he get without even reading it, haha;
3. exaggerating comparisons, but not much? How much is not much?
From the whole review at the end of the day, maybe the date is the only clear fact...
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Interesting quote from Jim Glickenhaus @ FerrariChat forum.
"Back to Ring Times, McLaren now admits it's 2G's not 5. We pull 2.8. Do you seriously think P1 beat our Ring time of 6:51 by 21 seconds? We also have 2800lb of downforce were on race tires vs. they being on street tires and claiming 1300lb of downforce?"
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Last edited by koizu; 01-22-2014 at 11:26 AM.
#66
02-09-2014, 01:45 AM
of course not down by 21 seconds, but still down enough.. :golf clap:
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Interesting quote from Jim Glickenhaus @ FerrariChat forum.
"Back to Ring Times, McLaren now admits it's 2G's not 5. We pull 2.8. Do you seriously think P1 beat our Ring time of 6:51 by 21 seconds? We also have 2800lb of downforce were on race tires vs. they being on street tires and claiming 1300lb of downforce?"
link
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Interesting quote from Jim Glickenhaus @ FerrariChat forum.
"Back to Ring Times, McLaren now admits it's 2G's not 5. We pull 2.8. Do you seriously think P1 beat our Ring time of 6:51 by 21 seconds? We also have 2800lb of downforce were on race tires vs. they being on street tires and claiming 1300lb of downforce?"
link
#67
02-09-2014, 01:54 PM
I guess today that the Mc-P1 will be in the hands of Stig (Power lap - Top Gear).
The time set by the Zonda R will be a measure of comparison (benchmark), this can give us an idea of the performance of P1 and know how close or far are the statements of McLaren Automotive.
PS:
I know that this premise is not too serious, there are many factors that determine a test, however it will be interesting to see.
The time set by the Zonda R will be a measure of comparison (benchmark), this can give us an idea of the performance of P1 and know how close or far are the statements of McLaren Automotive.
PS:
I know that this premise is not too serious, there are many factors that determine a test, however it will be interesting to see.
#69
02-09-2014, 06:55 PM
Haven't seen the episode yet, but this doesn't surprise me at all. Utterly disappointing from a car enthusiast's standpoint. What was their excuse this time?
-Top Gear test track too dangerous?
-Stig feeling a bit under the weather?
-Pagani used race-cut tires, yet their time is still on the TG Board, negating any validity to track times like the 'Ring?
-Richard Hammond's new GT3 was actually faster than the P1 unless it was in 'Race Mode'?
Unbelievable.
-Top Gear test track too dangerous?
-Stig feeling a bit under the weather?
-Pagani used race-cut tires, yet their time is still on the TG Board, negating any validity to track times like the 'Ring?
-Richard Hammond's new GT3 was actually faster than the P1 unless it was in 'Race Mode'?
Unbelievable.
Last edited by Zeus; 02-09-2014 at 07:01 PM.