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------------------------------------------------ Nürburgring -- Hockenheim - Laguna Seca - Miller Motorsp. P. - Blyton Park Circuit --- Le Mans
----------- 997 GT2 RS ----- 1405 kg - 544 PS --- 7.24 min --- 1.08,4 min --- 1:35.56 ------- 2:02.52 ------------- 1:01.80 -------- 1:47.08
991 Turbo S ---------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7.27 min --- 1.08,7 min --- 1:35.62
----------- 997 GT3 RS 4.0 - 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7.30 min --- 1.09,5 min --- 1:36.77
991 GT3 -------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7.32 min --- 1.09,6 min ----------------------------------------- 1:02.60
----------- 997 GT3 RS ----- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7.33 min --- 1.09,6 min ------------------- 2:05.44 ------------------------------ 1:49.25
----------- 997 GT2 -------- 1515 kg - 530 PS --- 7.33 min --- 1.10,0 min
----------- 997 GT3 -------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --- 7.40 min --- 1.10,4 min ------------------- 2:06.12
----------- 997 Turbo S ---- 1569 kg -. 530 PS --- 7.44 min --- 1.10,9 min --- 1:40.11
----------- 997 Turbo ------ 1573 kg -. 500 PS --- 7.47 min --- 1.11,9 min

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----------------------------------------------- Nürburgring -- Hockenheim -- Laguna Seca - Miller Motorsp. P. - Blyton Park Circuit - Le Mans

----------- 997 GT2 RS ----- 1405 kg - 544 PS --- 7:24 --------- 1:08.4 ------ 1:35.56 ------- 2:02.52 ------------ 1:01.80 ------ 1:47.08
991 Turbo S ---------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 --------- 1:08.7 ------ 1:35.62
----------- 997 GT3 RS 4.0 - 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 --------- 1:09.5
991 GT3 -------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:32 --------- 1:09.6 ------------------------------------------- 1:02.60
----------- 997 GT3 RS ----- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 --------- 1:09.6 ------ 1:36.77 ------- 2:05.44 --------------------------- 1:49.25
----------- 997 GT2 -------- 1515 kg - 530 PS --- 7:33 --------- 1:10.0
991 C2S -------------------- 1415 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 --------- 1:10.4 ------ 1:39.30
----------- 997 GT3 -------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --- 7:40 --------- 1:10.4 ---------------------- 2:06.12
----------- 997 Turbo S ---- 1569 kg -. 530 PS --- 7:44 --------- 1:10.9 ------ 1:40.11
----------- 997 Turbo ------ 1573 kg -. 500 PS --- 7:47 --------- 1:11.9
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-991------997--------others------------------------- Nürburgring -- Hockenheim -- Laguna Seca - Sachsenring --- Miller Motorsp.P. - Le Mans

GT3 RS --------------------------- 13?? kg - 5?? PS --- 7:??
------------------- Corvette ZR1 - 1530 kg - 647 PS --- 7:20 -------- 1:08.3 ------ 1:33.70 ----------------------- 2:03.86
-------- GT2 RS ------------------ 1405 kg - 544 PS --- 7:24 -------- 1:08.4 ------ 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 --------- 2:02.52 ------- 1:47.08
Turbo S -------------------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 -------- 1:08.7 ------ 1:35.62
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 -------------- 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 -------- 1:09.5 --------------------- 1:33.8
GT3 ------------------------------ 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:32 -------- 1:09.6
------------------- 458 Italia ----- 1485 kg - 570 PS --- 7:33 -------- 1:09.7 ------ 1:36.22 ------ 1:34.3
-------- GT3 RS ------------------ 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 -------- 1:09.6 ------ 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 --------- 2:05.44 ------- 1:49.25
-------- GT2 --------------------- 1515 kg - 530 PS --- 7:33 -------- 1:10.0
C2S ------------------------------ 1415 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 -------- 1:10.4 ------ 1:39.30
-------- GT3 --------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --- 7:40 -------- 1:10.4 -------------------------------------- 2:06.12
-------- Turbo S -----------------. 1569 kg - 530 PS --- 7:44 -------- 1:10.9 ------ 1:40.11
-------- Turbo -------------------. 1573 kg - 500 PS --- 7:47 -------- 1:11.9 --------------------- 1:36.9
------------------- M3 GTS ------- 1543 kg - 450 PS --- 7:48 -------- 1:12.5 --------------------- 1:37.3
-------- C2S ---------------------. 1420 kg - 385 PS --- 7:50 -------- 1:13.4 --------------------- 1:39.1
-------- C2 ----------------------. 1415 kg - 345 PS ----------------- 1:17.7 ------ 1:45.00 ------ 1:45.5

------------------- GT-R MK3 ----- 1736 kg - 550 PS --- 7:19 -------- 1:09.6 ------ 1:36.63 ------ 1:35.7

Nissan claims 7:19 min Nordschleife lap time for GT-R, may be, wonder how, all other lap times are slower than 991 GT3.
Calculated time for GT-R Nürburgring Nordschleife: 7:32 min - appear more realistic to me.
Calibration factor Hockenheim lap time x 6,679 [7.24/1.084 997 GT2 RS]
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Perhaps are taking the Nissan test drivers a unknown shortcut on the Nordschleife. Other test drivers achieving these lap times (same track, same driver):

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991 Turbo S - 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 1:08.90 ----- 1:31.30
GT-R MK3 --- 1736 kg - 550 PS --- 1:09.30 ----- 1:31.80

Track 1: Porsche 911 Turbo S Vs Nissan GT-R review - Auto Express
Track 2: Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Nissan GT-R (2014) CAR video review
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It's easy to see, that all lap times of one sports car correlate with each other.
The thesis is: Recording one lap time on any track correctly, it's quite possible to predict approximately all other lap times of other tracks.

-991------997---------others---------------------------Nürburgring--Hockenheim--Laguna Seca--Sachsenring--Miller Motorsp.P.--Le Mans--Nürburg GP5.15

GT3 RS ------------------------------- 13?? kg - 5?? PS --- 7:??
------------------- Corvette ZR1 ----- 1530 kg - 647 PS --- 7:20 ------ 1:08.3 ---- 1:33.70 --------------------- 2:03.86
------------------- GT-R Nismo ------- 1729 kg - 600 PS --- 7:23 ##--------------- -------------------------------------------------------- 2:13.8
-------- GT2 RS ---------------------- 1405 kg - 544 PS --- 7:24 ------ 1:08.4 ---- 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 ------- 2:02.52 ------ 1:47.08
------------------- McLaren MP4-12C - 1434 kg - 600 PS --- 7:28 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:34.50
Turbo S ------------------------------ 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:35.62
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 ------------------ 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 ------ 1:09.5 ------------------- 1:33.8
GT3 ---------------------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:32 ------ 1:09.6
------------------- 458 Italia --------- 1485 kg - 570 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.7 ---- 1:36.22 ------ 1:34.3
------------------- GT-R MK3 --------- 1759 kg - 550 PS --- 7:32 ##--- 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.63 ------ 1:35.7
-------- GT3 RS ---------------------- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 ------- 2:05.44 ------ 1:49.25
-------- GT2 ------------------------- 1515 kg - 530 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:10.0
C2S ---------------------------------- 1415 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 ------ 1:10.4 ---- 1:39.30 ------------------------------------------------ 2:18.66
-------- GT3 ------------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --- 7:40 ------ 1:10.4 --------------------------------- 2:06.12
-------- Turbo S --------------------- 1569 kg - 530 PS ---. 7:44 ------ 1:10.9 ---- 1:40.11
------------------- R8 V10 5.2 FSI --- 1620 kg - 525 PS ---. 7:44 ------ 1:10.9 ---- 1:40.20 ------- 1:37.5 --------------------- 1:53.96
-------- Turbo ----------------------- 1573 kg - 500 PS ---. 7:47 ------ 1:11.9 ------------------- 1:36.9
------------------- M3 GTS ---------- 1543 kg - 450 PS ---. 7:48 ------ 1:12.5 ------------------- 1:37.3 ---------------------------------- 2:21.06
-------- C2S ------------------------- 1420 kg - 385 PS ---. 7:50 ------ 1:13.4 ------------------- 1:39.1
-------- C2 -------------------------- 1415 kg - 345 PS ---------.------ 1:17.7 ---- 1:45.00 ------ 1:45.5

Nissan claims 7:08 min for for GT-R Nismo ---> calculated 7:23 min
Nissan claims 7:19 min for for GT-R (MK3) ---> calculated 7:32 min

Nissan test drivers are using a secret shortcut on Nürburgring Nordschleife or they told the truth here:
... this wicked GT-R, however, which ran around the Ring in 7 minutes 8.679 seconds when fitted with special track options the company will sell to whoever ponies up enough cash.
2015 Nissan GT-R / GT-R NISMO First Drive ? Review ? Car and Driver

Calculated time for GT-R Nürburgring Nordschleife:
7:32 min - calibration factor Hockenheim lap time x 6,679 [7.24/1.084 997 GT2 RS]

Calculated time for GT-R Nismo Nürburgring Nordschleife:
Nürburgring GP 5,15km track
2:13.80 - Nismo Nürburgring GP 5,15km track
2:18.66 - 991 C2S Nürburgring GP 5,15km track
2:21.06 - M3 GTS Nürburgring GP 5,15km track

Porsche 911 Carrera S (Nürburgring Nordschleife)/(Nürburgring GP 5,15km) - 7:38/2:18.66 (sec) --> 3,303 (Calibration factor)
BMW M3 GTS (Nürburgring Nordschleife)/(Nürburgring GP 5,15km) - 7:48/2:21.06 (sec) --> 3,317 (Calibration factor)
Nissan GT-R Nismo (Calibration factor)*(Nürburgring GP 5,15km)(2:13.80 min) 3,31*133,8 -----> 7:23 min (Nürburgring Nordschleife)
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-991------997---------others---------------------------Nürburgring--Hockenheim--Laguna Seca--Sachsenring--Miller Motorsp.P.--Le Mans--Nürburg GP5.15

GT3 RS ------------------------------- 13?? kg - 5?? PS --- 7:??
------------------- Corvette ZR1 ----- 1530 kg - 647 PS --- 7:20 ------ 1:08.3 ---- 1:33.70 --------------------- 2:03.86
------------------- GT-R Nismo ------- 1729 kg - 600 PS --- 7:23 ##--------------- 1:35.51 ------------------------------------------------- 2:13.8
-------- GT2 RS ---------------------- 1405 kg - 544 PS --- 7:24 ------ 1:08.4 ---- 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 ------- 2:02.52 ------ 1:47.08
Turbo S ------------------------------ 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:35.62
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 ------------------ 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 ------ 1:09.5 ------------------- 1:33.8
GT3 ---------------------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:32 ------ 1:09.6
------------------- GT-R MK3 --------- 1759 kg - 550 PS --. 7:32 ##--- 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.63 ------ 1:35.7
-------- GT3 RS ---------------------- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 ------- 2:05.44 ------ 1:49.25
-------- GT2 ------------------------- 1515 kg - 530 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:10.0
C2S ---------------------------------- 1415 kg - 400 PS --. 7:38 ------ 1:10.4 ---- 1:39.30 ------ 1:36,6 ------------------------------------ 2:18.66
-------- GT3 ------------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --- 7:40 ------ 1:10.4 ------------------- 1:36.1 ------- 2:06.12
-------- Turbo S --------------------- 1569 kg - 530 PS --- 7:44 ------ 1:10.9 ---- 1:40.11
------------------- GT-R MK1 -------- 1740 kg - 480 PS --- 7:44 ------ 1:10.7 ---- 1:40.45 ------- 1:37.4 --------------------- 1:51.37
------------------- R8 V10 5.2 FSI --- 1620 kg - 525 PS --- 7:44 ------ 1:10.9 ---- 1:40.20 ------- 1:37.5 --------------------- 1:53.96
-------- Turbo ----------------------- 1573 kg - 500 PS --- 7:47 ------ 1:11.9 ------------------- 1:36.9
------------------- M3 GTS ---------- 1543 kg - 450 PS --- 7:48 ------ 1:12.5 ------------------- 1:37.3 ------------------------------------ 2:21.06
-------- C2S ------------------------- 1420 kg . 385 PS --- 7:50 ------ 1:13.4 ------------------- 1:39.1
-------- C2 -------------------------- 1415 kg - 345 PS --------.------ 1:17.7 ---- 1:45.00 ------. 1:41.0
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----------------------------------------------------------Castle Combe
Ferrari 458 Speciale ----------------- 1290 kg - 605 PS ----- 1:11.90
McLaren 650 S ---------------------- 1428 kg - 650 PS ----- 1:12.90
Porsche 911 GT3 -------------------- 1425 kg - 475 PS ----- 1:13.10
Nissan GT-R Mk1 -------------------- 1740 kg - 480 PS ----- 1:14.60
Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI ----------------- 1620 kg - 525 PS ----- 1:15.50

Porsche 991 GT3 vs Ferrari 458 Speciale vs McLaren 650S

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Rob99 has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Lot's of lap times are not directly comparable to each other. Some lap times compared to some results of same track, same driver.

-991------997---------others-----------------------Nürburgring--Hockenheim--Laguna Seca--Sachsenring--Auto Express Track--Castle Combe--Bedford Autodrome
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------------------- 458 Speciale --- 1290 kg - 605 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:32.8 ------------------------- 1:11.90 -------
------------------- McLaren 650 S - 1428 kg - 650 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:33.1 ------- 1:06.40 --------- 1:12.90 -------
-------- GT2 RS ------------------- 1405 kg - 620 PS --- 7:24 ------ 1:08.4 ---- 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 ----------------------------------------- 1:19.90
GT3 ------------------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:25 -------------------------------- 1:33.0 -------- 1:06.60 --------- 1:13.10 -------
Turbo S --------------------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:35.62 ------------------------------------------------------- 1:19.24
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 --------------- 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 ------ 1:09.5 ------------------- 1:33.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.00
-------- GT3 RS ------------------- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.5 ---- 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.90
------------------- GT-R MK3 ------ 1759 kg - 550 PS --------------. 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.63------. 1:35.7
C2S ------------------------------- 1415 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 ------ 1:10.4 ---- 1:39.30 ------ 1:36,6 ----------------------------------------- 1:22.80
-------- GT3 ---------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --------------- 1:10.4 ------------------- 1:36.1 ----------------------------------------- 1:23.30
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This confirms a trend (all lap times same track, same driver): GT-R is always slower than 991 Turbo S, 991 Turbo S is slower than 991 GT3

--------------------------------------------Castle Combe-----Auto Express Track-----Mireval-----Contidrom-----Track 1------Track 2-------Track 3
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Ferrari 458 Speciale --- 1290 kg - 605 PS ------ 1:11.90
McLaren 650 S -------- 1428 kg - 650 PS ------ 1:12.90 --------- 1:06.40 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1:30.87
Porsche 991 GT3 ------ 1448 kg - 476 PS ------ 1:13.10 --------- 1:06.60 ----------- 1:02.60 ----- 1:33.58
McLaren MP4-12C ----- 1434 kg . 625 PS -------------------------------------------- 1:02.70
Porsche 991 Turbo S -- 1595 kg - 560 PS ---------------------------------------------------------- 1:33.69----- 1:08.90 ---- 1:31.30
Nissan GT-R MK3 ------ 1736 kg - 550 PS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1:09.30 ---- 1:31.80 ---- 1:33.93
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-991------997---------others-----------------------Nürburgring--Hockenheim--Laguna Seca--Sachsenring--Auto Express Track--Castle Combe--Bedford Autodrome
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------- 458 Speciale --- 1290 kg - 605 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:32.8 ------------------------- 1:11.90 -------
------------------- McLaren 650 S - 1428 kg - 650 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:33.1 ------- 1:06.40 --------- 1:12.90 -------
-------- GT2 RS ------------------- 1405 kg - 620 PS --- 7:24 ------ 1:08.4 ---- 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 ----------------------------------------- 1:19.90
GT3 ------------------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:25 -------------------------------- 1:33.0 -------- 1:06.60 --------- 1:13.10 -------
Turbo S --------------------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:35.62 ------------------------------------------------------- 1:19.24
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 --------------- 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 ------ 1:09.5 ------------------- 1:33.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.00
-------- GT3 RS ------------------- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.5 ---- 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.90
------------------- GT-R MK3 ------ 1759 kg - 550 PS --------------. 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.63------. 1:35.7
C2S ------------------------------- 1415 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 ------ 1:10.4 ---- 1:39.30 ------ 1:36,6 ----------------------------------------- 1:22.80
-------- GT3 ---------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --------------- 1:10.4 ------------------- 1:36.1 ----------------------------------------- 1:23.30
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All lap times same time, same track, same driver: GT-R slower than 991 Turbo S, 991 Turbo S slower than 991 GT3, 991 CS slower than Corvette C7

---------------------------------------Castle Combe--Auto Exp.T.--Mireval--Contidrom--Track 1---Track 2---Track 3---Track 4--Willow Springs--Laguna Seca--Hockenheim
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Ferrari 458 Speciale --- 1290 kg - 605 PS -- 1:11.90
McLaren 650 S -------- 1428 kg - 650 PS -- 1:12.90 -- 1:06.40 -------------------------------------------- 1:30.87
Porsche 991 GT3 ------ 1448 kg - 476 PS -- 1:13.10 -- 1:06.60 --- 1:02.60 -- 1:33.58
McLaren MP4-12C ----- 1434 kg - 625 PS ------------------------ 1:02.70
Porsche 991 Turbo S -- 1595 kg - 560 PS ----------------------------------- 1:33.69 -- 1:08.90 -- 1:31.30
Nissan GT-R MK3 ------ 1736 kg - 550 PS --------------------------------------------- 1:09.30 -- 1:31.80 -- 1:33.93
Corvette C7 ---------- 1561 kg - 460 PS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1:18.87 ---- 1:24.60 ---- 1:38.28 ---- 1:11.50
Porsche 991 Carrera S - 1490 kg - 400 PS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1:19.63 ---- 1:25.60 ---- 1:39.00 ---- 1:11.80

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-991------997---------others-----------------------Nürburgring--Hockenheim--Laguna Seca--Sachsenring--Auto Express Track--Castle Combe--Bedford Autodrome
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------- 458 Speciale --- 1290 kg - 605 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:32.8 ------------------------- 1:11.90 -------
------------------- McLaren 650 S - 1428 kg - 650 PS ----------------------------------------- 1:33.1 ------- 1:06.40 --------- 1:12.90 -------
-------- GT2 RS ------------------- 1405 kg - 620 PS --- 7:24 ------ 1:08.4 ---- 1:35.56 ------ 1:33.5 ----------------------------------------- 1:19.90
GT3 ------------------------------- 1448 kg - 476 PS --- 7:25 -------------------------------- 1:33.0 -------- 1:06.60 --------- 1:13.10 -------
Turbo S --------------------------- 1595 kg - 560 PS --- 7:27 ------ 1:08.7 ---- 1:35.62 ------------------------------------------------------- 1:19.24
-------- GT3 RS 4.0 --------------- 1388 kg - 500 PS --- 7:30 ------ 1:09.5 ------------------- 1:33.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.00
-------- GT3 RS ------------------- 1417 kg - 450 PS --- 7:33 ------ 1:09.5 ---- 1:36.77 ------ 1:34.8 ----------------------------------------- 1:21.90
------------------- GT-R MK3 ------ 1759 kg - 550 PS --------------. 1:09.6 ---- 1:36.63------. 1:35.7
--------------------Corvette C7 --- 1561 kg - 460 PS -----------------------.--- 1:38.28
C2S ------------------------------- 1490 kg - 400 PS --- 7:38 ------ 1:10.4 ---- 1:39.30 ------ 1:36,6 ----------------------------------------- 1:22.80
-------- GT3 ---------------------- 1426 kg - 435 PS --------------- 1:10.4 ------------------- 1:36.1 ----------------------------------------- 1:23.30
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